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[申请哪些学校] 美国教授写的如何选校!

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birdramon 发表于 2015-3-8 19:02:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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主要是针对找教职的建议,其他情况也许也有参考价值吧,尤其后半部分
转自gradcafe!

CHOOSING GRADUATE SCHOOL

Your graduate school choice is probably the most important choice that you'll make in your career. Do not take this lightly. There are many reasons, but they boil down to some uncomfortable truths.

1. Only the best schools place students in academic jobs. While there are thousands of universities in the United States, there are many many many thousand more political science PhDs. 5-7 years is a very long time to spend in a low-paying job (which is what graduate school is) only to realize that you have chance for promotion. Even at top 10 institution, a good half of entering students do not end up with a PhD and a tenure track job. Is it fair that this is the case? No. Are there very smart graduate students that are not at top departments? Absolutely, there are literally thousands of them. But this is how the world works. And you have no chance to change it from "the inside" unless you are already at a top department.

2. Advisers are fickle beings. Especially outside of the top institutions, they are busy and pressed for time, and they cannot offer you the type of guidance and support that you may believe that you are going to get. I had a very close relationship with a very influential adviser, and saw him for about 10 minutes once every two or three weeks. This is the norm. Do not think that you will have a different experience. Moreover, good scholars are often terrible advisers. I think that one of the worst aspects of our profession is that at middle-range departments, top scholars often will not even acknowledge graduate students.

3. Graduate school is an unequal partnership between students, who receive very little and give very much, and faculty, who have many other things to do but rely on students to do things that are in the university's best interests. Graduate students are (1) essentially powerless and (2) extremely cheap labor. Universities have an incentive to keep a lot of graduate students around to fill instructor slots and TAships. This means that they will keep on a lot of graduate students who will never have a chance at a tenure-ladder job. This is a pathological system of incentives, and I find it repugnant, but this is the reality.. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴

So what sort of advice does this lead me to give? First off, above and beyond almost anything, you need to go to the best possible graduate school. It doesn't matter if you don't like Ann Arbor as much as Athens or Austin, graduate school matters tremendously for your future ability to get a job. At nearly every university or college, a PhD from Michigan will get your file looked at when applying for jobs. I know that this sounds harsh, but for most jobs, a job file from a school out of the top 25 won't even be considered. It will just go on the trash. Let this sink in.

As a corollary, you need to think long and hard about graduate school if you do not have the opportunity to go to a top one. You should understand that you may not have a good chance of landing a tenure track job. The one's available to you, moreover, will likely be at "directional institutions" (think Northern X State) or small, low-ranked liberal arts colleges in the middle of nowhere. Even there, you will be competing with harvard and Berkeley PhDs for a job. It's hard. It's not as hard as English or History, but nevertheless it's really hard. You should know this and plan accordingly.
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Do not choose graduate school based on who you "want to work with." Graduate students very seldom "work with" an adviser. If they do, this is *at best* as a second author, and even this is rare, and almost never enough to get you a job. This also assumes that your research interests don't change (RARE) and that your adviser is a nice and approachable person (OCCASIONAL). Remember, they are approachable during recruitment because you provide them with an unlimited supply of discount labor. They have their own worries and incentives, and these rarely align with yours.
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Likewise, funding matters. My general advice is that outside of a top 25 institution, you should not go to graduate school unless you have a full ride and a stipend large enough to live on. Without these, graduate school is a long and expensive process with little reward. There is a constant demand for doctors, so doctors can pay for medical school and still come out ahead. $200,000 in debt and only qualified for a very low paying job is a terrible situation that many PhDs find themselves in.
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It is tempting to think that a potential advisor's kind words mean that you are special. You are special, but so are many many others. Wherever you are, you will likely not even be the smartest or most successful member of your cohort. Do not fool yourself into thinking that you are the one who will buck the trends that I have described. It's just not likely.

Finally, I have made a big point about top 25 schools. We all know that stanford is and Purdue isn't, but what's the definitive list? Simply put, if you have to ask, your school is not in the top 25.. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴




YOUR CAREER
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If you decide to go to graduate school, congratulations. I mean this sincerely. You are embarking on the most intellectually rewarding period of your life. (Of course, intellectually and financially rewarding are not the same, as I mentioned previously.) Here are some brief tips.

The best political scientists are the following five things: smart, creative, diligent, honest, and nice. Smart is obvious. The rest are not.

The best political scientists are creative. They look at old problems in new ways, or they find new problems to look at. A good way to land a middling job (or no job) is to find a marginal improvement on an existing estimator, or take lessons from Paraguay and apply them to Uruguay. The best political scientists show us how our estimators are incorrect, or better yet, find new things to estimate.

The best political scientists are diligent. They think about problems for years and years, they rewrite their draft papers repeatedly, they collect giant datasets from scratch, and they go into the field, learn the language, and stay there until they have learned something. There are no quick research trips, there are no obvious philoSOPhical points, and there are no datasets that you can download with results you can write up in a week.
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The best political scientists are honest. There are many points at which you might fudge your work: creating a new dataset from scratch, during fieldwork, in writing up your results. You will be astounded at how frequent this is in our profession. Don't do it, for it always hurts you in the end. Being wrong and honest about it is OK. Being wrong and hiding it never works.

Finally, the best political scientists are nice. It is tempting to be prickly to make yourself seem smart or to protect your ego. But the same person you criticize today might be in a position to give you a job tomorrow. As they say, make your words soft and sweet, for you never know when you may have to eat them.


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WHQFRD 发表于 2015-3-8 19:23:49 | 显示全部楼层
LZ为啥不早发啊~~~。。。
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 楼主| birdramon 发表于 2015-3-8 19:27:03 | 显示全部楼层
WHQFRD 发表于 2015-3-8 19:23
LZ为啥不早发啊~~~。。。

我错了。。。。才看到

你是已经从了谁了?
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mike123666 发表于 2015-3-8 19:27:09 | 显示全部楼层
Too realistic to believe...难道top 25之外的PhD就不可能做Faculty?不拿全奖就不去top 25之外的graduate school?
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 楼主| birdramon 发表于 2015-3-8 19:28:10 | 显示全部楼层
mike123666 发表于 2015-3-8 19:27
Too realistic to believe...难道top 25之外的PhD就不可能做Faculty?不拿全奖就不去top 25之外的graduate  ...

前者不绝对吧
.1point3acres缃
后者,phd ad我没见过去读的反正
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凝香夜雪 发表于 2015-3-8 20:35:44 | 显示全部楼层
Do not choose graduate school based on who you "want to work with."  感觉还是要考虑吧... 毕竟publication和research interest都和这个直接相关呢
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 楼主| birdramon 发表于 2015-3-8 20:44:32 | 显示全部楼层
凝香夜雪 发表于 2015-3-8 20:35
Do not choose graduate school based on who you "want to work with."  感觉还是要考虑吧... 毕竟publica ...

他可能针对的politics吧
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Pony_s 发表于 2015-3-8 22:24:14 | 显示全部楼层
不错,不过感觉好像是针对……phd?
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 楼主| birdramon 发表于 2015-3-8 22:30:16 | 显示全部楼层
Pony_s 发表于 2015-3-8 22:24
不错,不过感觉好像是针对……phd?
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恩...应该是
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朱文涛 发表于 2015-3-8 22:30:27 | 显示全部楼层
好吧 前25  为啥不早发 谢谢啦
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 楼主| birdramon 发表于 2015-3-8 22:32:31 | 显示全部楼层
朱文涛 发表于 2015-3-8 22:30
好吧 前25  为啥不早发 谢谢啦
. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
才看到......我以为现在正是大家决定去哪儿的时候。。。
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朱文涛 发表于 2015-3-8 22:33:06 | 显示全部楼层
好吧 是的 学校名气最重要 是吧
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 楼主| birdramon 发表于 2015-3-8 22:43:57 | 显示全部楼层
朱文涛 发表于 2015-3-8 22:33. From 1point 3acres bbs
好吧 是的 学校名气最重要 是吧

导师也挺重要的,要发论文啊,这是phd的干货
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Veraciousekk 发表于 2015-3-8 23:50:05 | 显示全部楼层
很不错的文,最近正在想phd的事情呢~~可能要到了那边再转咯
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neverland785 发表于 2015-3-9 09:53:48 | 显示全部楼层
这个老师说的非常中肯~.鐣欏璁哄潧-涓浜-涓夊垎鍦
如果不是top25的学校,做faculty的唯一希望就是发top的杂志~
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Kevin_Tang 发表于 2015-3-9 11:19:42 | 显示全部楼层
这个专业差距很大的  文科PhD拿tenure和商科PhD拿tenure  难度简直不在一个数量级上

还有不管什么专业  性别人种的差距也是很大的  比如招一个黑女 可能相当于免费劳力外加倒贴funding
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grace323jade 发表于 2015-4-8 23:01:34 | 显示全部楼层
果然也看出身……求问校友EE@TAMU和AEM@UMN哪个出身好点?因为都是ad……暂不存在导师问题。。。
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 楼主| birdramon 发表于 2015-4-8 23:15:50 | 显示全部楼层
grace323jade 发表于 2015-4-8 23:01
果然也看出身……求问校友EE@TAMU和AEM@UMN哪个出身好点?因为都是ad……暂不存在导师问题。。。

学术界感觉UMN好点儿
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windflow 发表于 2015-4-10 11:08:39 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
凝香夜雪 发表于 2015-3-8 20:35
Do not choose graduate school based on who you "want to work with."  感觉还是要考虑吧... 毕竟publica ...

他说的是 政治学科,说白了,要不是对学术特别赶兴趣,或者走头无路,谁特么愿意去读个政治学的博士;理工科完全不同额。犹其是他说,你advisor和你关系不太,在理工科看来简直胡说八道。基本就是老板的圈子,方向决定你的前途。当然学校名气也有用。
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windflow 发表于 2015-4-10 11:10:02 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
neverland785 发表于 2015-3-9 09:53
这个老师说的非常中肯~
如果不是top25的学校,做faculty的唯一希望就是发top的杂志~

political science
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