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Stony Brook&Utah 应数求比较

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DerickJu 发表于 2015-3-31 20:58:48 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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    请问石溪的Applied math &statistics这个项目好找工作吗?刚刚看见说这个读完就意味着失业回国……
    和Utah 的数学计算机合办项目比怎么样?

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    zheng18552 发表于 2015-3-31 21:37:35 | 显示全部楼层
    DerickJu 发表于 2015-3-31 08:28. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
    毕业即失业?

    the cruel truth there is they are both average schools, not top 5 schools.

    Also, you are taking a master not a ph.d.

    be very careful. Your time and money are very important to you.
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     楼主| DerickJu 发表于 2015-3-31 21:01:57 | 显示全部楼层
    还有石溪的computational math和quantitative finance哪个好找工作?当然还是首先想读PHD的
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    zheng18552 发表于 2015-3-31 21:10:39 | 显示全部楼层
    you already got the answer.
    .1point3acres缃
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     楼主| DerickJu 发表于 2015-3-31 21:28:22 | 显示全部楼层
    zheng18552 发表于 2015-3-31 21:10
    you already got the answer.

    毕业即失业?
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    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-20 14:05:19 | 显示全部楼层
    zheng18552 发表于 2015-3-31 21:37
    the cruel truth there is they are both average schools, not top 5 schools.

    Also, you are takin ...
    . 1point 3acres 璁哄潧
    May I know which five universities are you referring for the "top 5 schools"? Are they top 5 with respect to master or phd program?
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    zheng18552 发表于 2015-4-20 22:38:11 | 显示全部楼层
    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-20 01:05
    May I know which five universities are you referring for the "top 5 schools"? Are they top 5 with  ...

    It is according to my girlfriend. But basic idea is it must be major ranked class 1 colleges, which is very limited, up to 10 but usually less than  10 schools.
    Now, one major misconception people have  to math  is class 2 schools in ranking are good enough for foreigners. Let us say they are  ranked from probably from 10 to 30 to just give a rough idea. . From 1point 3acres bbs

    the answer is no for math. math is very selective and cruel like physics. Only the top ones are needed in job market or academic world. So if ones do not go to these top schools, your life will be very very hard. But I never say it is impossible. It's just statistically too hard to be viewed as a good choice, like lottery.  After all, it is up to individuals' choice to make their own lives.
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    zheng18552 发表于 2015-4-20 22:39:49 | 显示全部楼层
    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-20 01:05
    May I know which five universities are you referring for the "top 5 schools"? Are they top 5 with  ...

    you may ask why 10 not 5. Well, 5 is a safe number absolutely.

    some ones may say 7 is the edge, or 8 is the edge.
    . 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
    5 is the lower limit, 10 is the bigger limit. Personally, I always go for the safe number, in this case, 5.
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    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-21 23:20:01 | 显示全部楼层
    zheng18552 发表于 2015-4-20 22:39
    you may ask why 10 not 5. Well, 5 is a safe number absolutely.

    some ones may say 7 is the edge ...
    鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.
    Thanks for your information. I know academia is very selective. Since I haven't started phd program in math in us, my understanding may be biased. Only students from top 5-10 is will be considered in academia or job market is still beyond my expectation. I thought it will be around top 15 ( in subject ranking). So for "math", do you only restrict to pure math or include applied math in the discussion.

    If we only consider pure math, in my understanding, each year  there will be  around 10 student graduate? So you think each year research universities in us can only absorb around that number of candidates for faculty application. Also, I think the key for obtaining a faculty position is research performance, not where you graduate . So do you think there will be a large difference of between graduates from top 5 universites and graduates from top 10 universities? I can imagine the environment and research abilibiy of faculty between top 5 and 20-30 will have "significant" difference. But I am sure whether it's still true between top 5 and top 15.

    Besides that, if we take applied math phd into consideration. You statements will be even unbelievable ( sorry I don't want to be offended).  I thought applied math phd especially those who focus on computational math will be easier to find a job in market, say finance industry, or manufacturing companies.   And if the location of university is ok, it can compensate the disadvantage of reputation. So I thought top 30 with good location is enough to find a industrial job in market. Do you think my understanding is correct?

    补充内容 (2015-4-21 23:24):
    I am sorry for the typos. I am new to this forum and I thought I can edit the post after submit it so I didn't proofread my writing carefully enough before clicking the button. I am really sorry.
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     楼主| DerickJu 发表于 2015-4-22 00:21:48 | 显示全部楼层
    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-21 23:20
    Thanks for your information. I know academia is very selective. Since I haven't started phd progra ...

    非常感谢各位的回答,已经从了西北的applied math了
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     楼主| DerickJu 发表于 2015-4-22 00:22:34 | 显示全部楼层
    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-21 23:20. From 1point 3acres bbs
    Thanks for your information. I know academia is very selective. Since I haven't started phd progra ...

    这个应该不算太average了吧……
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    zheng18552 发表于 2015-4-22 01:45:12 | 显示全部楼层
    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-21 10:20
    Thanks for your information. I know academia is very selective. Since I haven't started phd progra ...

    your questions are legit. I used simplified model as the overall stories need too many words.

    There some something you misudnersatnd.. 鍥磋鎴戜滑@1point 3 acres
    Misunderstand #1:
    You must know math, so I suppose you understand what is statistically toosmall to be concidered for decision making.  There are no absolte for anything. So of course,the below statement is wrong.
    Only students from top 5-10 is will be considered in academia or job market

    But if i say to you, if your success chance of doing A is only 15 or 20%, would you do it when you have other choices, better or worse to choose from.

    Now you can argue about the exact number of success chance, but you have to understand what I am emphsizing now: the chance is too small, don't risk your life on it.
    To give you a basic idea, according to people I know,  a #30 major ranked school give you averagely, 15-20% to be a tentured professor eventually, at some school, very bad or very good.

    Do you think this is something you want to take on? if you do, it is okay. It is your choice and your decision, no one else has a say in it.

    Misunderstand #2: Higher chance statsticllay
    Now if I say to you, A group of 100k children from povery families vs B group of 100k children from middle class families, which gruops has a higher chance to become a middle class men/women when they grow up, you would be crazy to tell me it's Group A.

    Same principle there, A group of 100 student from top university vs. B group of 100 students from crappy colleges, you would be crazy to tell me they have equal chance to succeed.

    So understand what I am tryin to say, higcher chance statsically. . 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷

    Often, it is a chain action, you study hard and smarter than most people, you go into top univeristies, and then your chance of earning six figure after graudation is much higher than most people, your first company is better than most people, latter on you chance of being a manager is thus higher.
    Do you see what is going on? it is a chain action. . 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
    . 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
    Of coruse, you can say nothing is impossible. If you end up lower than certain people, it just mean you need to put much more efforts. If these efforts will work our for you is unknown, since these people may also be workign hard. . Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,
    .鐣欏璁哄潧-涓浜-涓夊垎鍦

    Bearing in you mind of what I said in #1 and #2, try to understand what I am trying to say to you. I've seen too many people go into MBA schools and end up doing HR, not even full time human recoruses, but a contractor. I'ven seen too many people think they can make it and go into biology, and end up selling office supplies, yes I mean pen and pencils. .鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧
    . 1point 3acres 璁哄潧
    Are you willing to take tremous risks for what you are pursing now? this is what I am trying to tell you.




    补充内容 (2015-4-21 12:46):. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
    this is only for pure math
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    zheng18552 发表于 2015-4-22 01:54:19 | 显示全部楼层
    mashimaro0425 发表于 2015-4-21 10:20. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
    Thanks for your information. I know academia is very selective. Since I haven't started phd progra ...

    now, what about applied math?
    Of course it is better. But how much better?
    I thought applied math phd especially those who focus on computational math will be easier to find a job in market, say finance industry, or manufacturing companies.
    Let's talk about finance.
    Finance is about inner connections and alumnis. I've heard people complain about it because they are not from certain backgrounds.  So ff you seek bright career and climb up latter, it is not better. Pretty much most likely you will stay in bottom level to be analyst. If you feel okay about it is unknow to me.
    Just give you some data.
    Site: Manhattan
    Annual income: around 90k for bottom level analyst.鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧
    Now, you may think 90k is very good, but bear in mind, Manhattan's living cost is super high. After covnersion, it is maybe  only 52k in atlanta,ga. That is not a good salary and is most likely asoated with technicans.

    What about manufacturing
    It is not so great. Most of them do not hire foreigners or too small to need one. Even if they hire, like Walmart, they only need Ph.D. Master is uselss.


    .鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧

    . more info on 1point3acres.com

    补充内容 (2015-4-21 13:02):
    this is only for master in applied math
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    zheng18552 发表于 2015-4-22 02:00:55 | 显示全部楼层
    A lot of what I say has to do with the fact the offers listed here are both master A.D.
    For a Ph.D. in pure math for academic positions like professor with tenure , what I said does not change much. Basically the same.

    For a Ph.D. seeking jobs, it is very different. Much easier than a master.

    Let me quote my girlfriend, "a master in math basically cannot do anything but teaching in high schools"

    补充内容 (2015-4-21 13:02):
    this is for ph.d. in applied math.
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