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[成绩单GPA/排名/WES] 在国际生的PhD申请中,GPA重要吗【转帖from Quora】

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tsl665 发表于 2015-4-25 00:50:59 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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本帖最后由 yls0327 于 2015-4-25 15:00 编辑 . 鍥磋鎴戜滑@1point 3 acres
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最近在Quora读到这个回复,感觉非常棒,转载到地里。原问题是How do graduate admission committees judge marks of previously attained degree of an international applicant? 这篇高分回答来自Jay Wacker (a former professor)。由于本篇回答主要着眼点是在PhD申请上,我擅自改了个中文的标题。


注:如果你懒得看下面这么一大篇,一句话的答案就是 ——(对于PhD申请)GPA没有你想象得那么重要。


This comes from my experience on admissions committees.  Unfortunately, we don't have a big book of transcripts from around the world to compare with.  (It'd be a really useful to have).

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Grade inflation isn't a big problem with international institutions.  US universities are definitely struggling with grade inflation much more than international institutions and this has to be taken into account.  But grade inflation inside the US isn't uniform, so this is something that you already factor into evaluating grades.  Not having familiarity with all the universities that you're evaluating makes the situation challenging, for instance class sizes usually aren't stated and this makes a big difference.

The real problem is that there a dozen different grading schemes used around the world. Few international universities use the 4point (or really 12point) scheme.  Even in the US, there is a lot of variation of what a GPA means.  Some schools have A+'s that are handed out in a few classes.  This means that the maximal GPA isn't a 4.0 any more and an A- can be made up for by an A+.  But with international universities, you have a lot that are on 100 point scales, some that rank by percentile, some that give bizarre named grades, some only on full point schemes.  It is difficult without personal knowledge of the system.  A lot of institutions don't even give cumulative GPAs either
Some information can be gleamed from the transcripts and carefully studying them.  May be you have a few students from the same university that you can compare, but usually this will take 20 minutes to evaluate this way and if you're going through 500 applications, this will be the last thing you do if they are on the cusp of admissions. At the early stages of admissions, the GPA just isn't used heavily, but it really isn't for domestic student either.  

What is much more useful is looking at the courses and the level the courses were taken at and this is relatively easy to evaluate.  You can identify an anomalously low grades in courses that matter by scanning through the transcript in about 30 seconds.[**]  . 1point3acres.com/bbs

Ultimately, grades play only a partial role in admissions. The list for international students are the following:
  • Statement of Purpose
  • GRE (particularly subject tests)
  • Grades
  • Letters
  • Research Experience
  • TOEFL
All these go into giving an impression of the applicant.  The research really matters a lot and having that dovetail into a meaningful statement of purpose (particularly demonstrating good language skills).
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To get into the mind of someone on the admissions committee, you should understand that they are more concerned about admitting someone who is under-qualified than not admitting someone who is qualified.  One reason is that an under-qualified student is typically a 5 year commitment that costs the department/university between $250k and $400k to educate; however, a qualified student that isn't admitted will probably be admitted at another great university and will work out a-okay for the applicant.  

Really, cumulative GPAs are useless in graduate admissions.  All As except a C in a general education class is not the same as all As except a C in a major class.
[**] For instance, in some Chinese universities there is a required course on military history/tactics/strategy and frequently I find low grades in that course which I personally don't care about; however, if they got a low grade in electricity and magnetism, that'd be a big problem.



Reference: http://www.quora.com/How-do-grad ... rnational-applicant




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补充内容 (2015-4-25 00:53):
来个留学申请的版主帮我编辑一下?文中有两个【*】的地方被系统自动改成点了。。有点影响阅读

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mavisheelena 发表于 2015-4-25 01:17:52 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
读了下来 大概专业gpa很重要的意思嘛
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 楼主| tsl665 发表于 2015-4-25 03:53:44 | 显示全部楼层
mavisheelena 发表于 2015-4-25 01:17
读了下来 大概专业gpa很重要的意思嘛
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也没有说专业GPA很重要,但是比over-all GPA重要很多就是了。. From 1point 3acres bbs
回答里大概是说,在审材料的early stages,成绩单基本上每一份大概会花30秒的时间去scan一下,这个时候有用的信息基本是1. 你上的(专业)课是什么level;2. 重要的课里有没有成绩特别糟糕的。那个[**]里是说,如果有特别糟糕的成绩,如果是通识课一般不会有人care;如果是专业课,则比较糟糕。
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zpinthehouse 发表于 2015-4-25 09:13:33 | 显示全部楼层
教授看申请材料的大概关注点,专业背景,学校出身,本科GPA如果学校好的话,科研经历如果有的话。。托福是用来卡线的。。其他包括GREPS什么的本质上没多大用。。
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