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[H1B] 关于10月份之前transfer H1B的终极大讨论

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屌丝回家种田 发表于 2015-5-14 06:15:20 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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楼主前两天还在纠结 h1b vs 更好的工作的问题
http://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/ ... D192%26sortid%3D192
经过版里筒子一顿教训,楼主知错了。。H1B的确来之不易。。楼主也想好了,先保H1B为重。.鐣欏璁哄潧-涓浜-涓夊垎鍦

没想到今天又有新进展!!
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新公司的HR打电话来说,他们有可能说服律师帮楼主transfer H1B!但有一个前提:无论denial还是approval,都必须选择新公司了,i.e.,不能说transfer denial的话还想回旧公司。. 1point3acres.com/bbs
. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
现在楼主想跟大家分享一下最近搜索到的所有关于10月之前transfer的信息。也求大家知道的信息和input!

1. 楼主给至少15个移民律师打过电话,大概一半说可以,一半说不行。说不行的律师大多提到了移民局最近的新规定新理解,就是10月之前的transfer不能exempt from cap。而在2014年之前都是可以的。

2. 在所有说可以的律师里面,楼主选择了张大钦律师进行深入交谈并做了500刀的付费咨询。楼主问了10个关于H1B transfer before Oct 1st的问题,而且是非常细节的问题。比如说最近移民局的新规定或新理解怎么看,没有2 pay stub怎么办等等。张律师做了非常详细的解答。总之张律师认为transfer没问题。详细问答贴在文末。
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另外,张律师还说去年他们律所做了一个H1B transfer before Oct 1st, approval了没有任何问题。
. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
3. 请看immigration girl关于H1B transfer before Oct 1st的讨论:
http://immigrationgirl.com/cauti ... before-october-1st/

大家注意细节的话会发现这个贴子一开始是2014年八月发出来的。一开始immigration girl警告说十月之前transfer可能会被RFE。但是大家注意10月6号她又发了一个update,说transfer成功!这里我再copy&paste一下:

*******Update 10/6/14**********
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We have received approval of a new change of status from F-1 to H-1B filed before October 1st with a new employer. We cited the 06/19/2001 Cronin Memo stating that because the worker has been counted once toward the FY2015 numerical limit and is the beneficiary of an approved petition, he is exempt from the H-1B cap. There was an RFE on the case, but it did not raise the issue of cap exemption.

大家注意在她的case里面她引用了一个cronin memo作为证据,表明即使十月之前也是已经has been counted once的。

这个cronin memo楼主也找到了,见这里(第四页):. more info on 1point3acres.com
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/defau ... lease/ac21guide.pdf. more info on 1point3acres.com
鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.

基于以上这些信息,希望大家给些意见。有的律师说如果transfer,不仅可能被denial,而且连之前有的H1B也可能被revoke,所以是双重风险。但有的律师又说没有风险。

不知道小伙伴们有什么别的信息没?谢谢了!


附10个问题和10个答案(by Daqin Zhang)(这可是500刀买的哦!现在分享给大家)
1. I have an approved H1B from company A, but haven't started working for them yet. Now I have a new job offer and want go to company B. Do I have to wait until Oct 1st to file the H1B transfer? If not, why?

No.  You have been counted into the quota and you can transfer that quota into a new H1B petition filed by the new employer prior to October 1, as long as the previous employer does not revoke the H1B before October 1.  
. 1point 3acres 璁哄潧

2. Recent evidence suggests that USCIS has followed a new interpretation which might prohibit H1B workers (who have obtained approved H1B) from changing employers before Oct 1st. The H1B application filed by the new employer will still be considered as "subject to cap" because the original H1B has never been activated. Do you think this is an issue? If not, could you provide a detailed explanation?

I am not aware of this so-called new interpretation.   .鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧
.鐣欏璁哄潧-涓浜-涓夊垎鍦
Based on an USCIS Service Center Operations Directorate (SCOPS) and American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) Teleconference Agenda dated May 21, 2014, this question was posed:   
. 1point 3acres 璁哄潧
If a petition counted under the cap is subsequently withdrawn, is the beneficiary no longer considered to have been counted? In WAC1404950868, CSC indicated that the beneficiary of an H-1B petition that was approved but then revoked prior to the start of the fiscal year is not considered exempt for subsequent H-1B petitions. Is this correct, and if yes, would the response be different if the petition was revoked after the beginning of the fiscal year.. From 1point 3acres bbs

In response to the above question, USCIS indicated that if an H-1B approval is revoked before the beneficiary can be considered in H-1B status, i.e. before October 1 of the given year or if the beneficiary does consular processing, prior to using the petition to apply for a visa/admission, then the beneficiary would NOT be considered under the cap.  Please refer to the attached AILA/SCOPS Teleconference Agenda Notes from AILA Committee.

Thus, you have been counted into the quota and occupy a slot as long as the employer does not revoke it prior to October 1.. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴

3. Can you give an estimate on the probability of approval for filing H1B transfer before Oct 1st (specific to my case). You can answer in term of percentages, or in terms of "absolutely-certain", "most-likely", "likely", "possible" or "not-likely".
-google 1point3acres
Assuming that your previous employer does not revoke your H1B before October 1, I don’t worry the transferability of your H1B quota. Assuming that your H1B meets the “specialty occupation” and prevailing wage requirements, your new H1B petition should have very high chance to be approved if the petition is represented by a competent and experienced immigration attorney.


4. Since I haven't started working for company A yet, I do not have 2 pay-stubs which might be required for the H1B transfer. What is your opinion on this? If you think it's not required, why?

Requiring pay stubs or not depends on the circumstance.   If you extend H1B status from an active H1B employment to another H1B employment, you need to submit pay stubs to show that you are now in valid H1B status.

In your case, you are changing from opt to H1B.  Even for your new H1B petition, you are changing status from OPT to H1B.   According to USCIS’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program Policy Guidance 1004-03 regarding OPT, under Section 7.2.1, unpaid employment qualifies as one type of employment allowed for regular pre- and post-completion OPT.  The guidance states:  “A student may work as a volunteer or unpaid intern, where this practice does not violate any labor laws.  The work must be at least 20 hours per week for a student on post-completion OPT.  A student must be able to provide evidence acquired from the student’s employer to verify that the student worked at least 20 hours per week during the period of employment.”  (See p. 17 – 18 of attached SEVP Policy Guidance 1004-03.)  Thus, a person can have valid OPT status by engaging in voluntary unpaid job, and you do not have to present pay stubs to prove your valid OPT status.  A person may have up to three months unemployment during OPT term.
. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
“H1B transfer” is a misleading concept.  H1B status cannot transfer and does not need to transfer.    It is the quota (slot in the quota system) that you have occupied, which will be transferred into the new H1B petition. . visit 1point3acres.com for more.


5. Is it true that USCIS does not have a clear cut rule or policy on this type of applications? Is it possible that different immigration officers may have different opinions on the exact same case?

USCIS is pretty clear on quota transferability.   Even before you actually working for the new employer, even before October 1, you can transfer the quota you have successfully claimed, as long as your H1B approval has not been revoked by the previous employer.


6. For filing H1B transfer before Oct 1st, is there any different approach/strategy/tactic we should take, as compared to H1B transfer in the normal case? Is there any further explanation we should make to increase the chance for approval?

No need for particular explanation or emphasis.  Just include a copy of the H1B approval notice, and the USCIS will honor that for you.

. 1point 3acres 璁哄潧
7. Should there be any difference in writing the petition letter for H1B transfer before Oct 1st, as compared to the normal case? If yes, in what way?. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs
. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs
No need for extended discussion on this.   You can mention that you have been counted into the quota once, provide them the case number, and they will be able to find out and honor your request to transfer the quota. . 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷


8. Should there be any difference in describing the proposed job duties for H1B transfer before Oct 1st, as compared to the normal case? If yes, in what way?

No special requirements on this.

. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,
9. Should there be any difference in describing the beneficiary's present occupation and summary of prior work experience for H1B transfer before Oct 1st, as compared to the normal case? If yes, in what way?
鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.
No special requirements.   Just tell the truth, only the truth.  . from: 1point3acres.com/bbs


10. If our H1B transfer application (filed by the new company) is denied, would we suffer from the risk that USCIS might revisit the approved H1B application from company A (the original company) and possible revoke the approved H1B (the original H1B). How likely is such risk?

No such risk.   H1B petition is based on a “prospective job offer”.   H1B positions are at-will employment.   The employer or the employee can terminate the job at any time for any reason or no reason at all.    The employer certainly can withdraw a job offer.   No fraud issue at all.   Usually, if there is no fraud finding or conviction, the USCIS would not take initiative to revoke a case.


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tommylotus 发表于 2015-9-8 10:05:12 | 显示全部楼层
旋转时空 发表于 2015-9-8 09:25
谢谢建议!主要是新公司催10.12上班,我还想给2 week notice给现公司呢T-T
如果10.1再file pp,一般几天 ...

REF原因不知道,律师去处理的,应该是和公司有关的。你这样的情况建议10月份以后再提交,但是可以先把LCA等各种材料准备好,十月一日提交应该两三天就能收到receipt你就可以去新公司上班了。提前两周给老公司打招呼就行。

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hxly 发表于 2015-7-17 10:51:54 | 显示全部楼层
本人是今年抽签抽中h1b。加急申请,所以五月中拿到了i797。
六月中新公司办了加急的h1b petition.六月底左右估计被rfe,因为新公司要求我又提供了一次最近的工资单。 七月十号新公司的h1b petition被approve。
现在在和新公司办入职的手续。

个人感觉因为之前的h1b和新公司的是完全独立的两个receipt,所以十月一号之前换工作可能不会有问题。问了学校ois的人,说应该也不会有问题。

只是个人经验。觉得完全可以让新公司试着进行transfer,不管成不成功起码都不会影响现在的h1b。只要等到出结果之后再辞职就行。

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anna-1080 发表于 2015-5-14 08:04:10 | 显示全部楼层
微博上邱律师说不可以。说是新的规定。
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Emmon1990 发表于 2015-5-14 08:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
我听说的也是去年行今年不行。。。
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forever_lang 发表于 2015-5-14 11:32:16 | 显示全部楼层
那些说新规定的,请给个新规定原文或链接, OK?
. From 1point 3acres bbs
LZ 你放心转就是了,这次不成功就在老公司干到10月份再转一次,反正也没什么损失。

所谓的风险指的是你10.1前转到新公司,老公司可以 revoke 你的申请,那你就立刻失去身份了,10.1后转就不存在这风险,这才是你应该考虑的。
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那500刀花的真冤,还不如请我吃饭。
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x0857 发表于 2015-5-15 00:49:04 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 x0857 于 2015-5-15 01:14 编辑
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最近我也在研究这个问题。。。针对今年

昨天移民律师(一个纽约的美国律师,朋友推荐)给我的答复(同时觉得比较符合我自己的结论):. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
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transfer可以。但,最近一年的情况跟以往不一样。往年一直都是没什么问题,现在出现了不直接approval的情况(原因大致应该是lz提到的immigration girl讨论里面提到的RFE及具体细节,移民律师用了’现在的law变得不是那么清晰’ 这个说法,我也没看到所谓的‘新规定’,这跟美国的law是case law有关?。。。无知请轻拍)。只要新公司愿意承担没有approval的风险,还是可以帮你申请一下。旧的公司对你已有的H1B如果没做什么的话,第一个H1B就不受任何的影响。
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hzx0520 发表于 2015-5-15 07:23:03 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
如果10月1号以前,新公司那边已经申请成功,但是离开就公司的时候,旧公司file了revoke,那有什么影响吗?是不是新公司也去不了了啊?
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 楼主| 屌丝回家种田 发表于 2015-5-15 10:12:19 | 显示全部楼层
hzx0520 发表于 2015-5-15 07:23
如果10月1号以前,新公司那边已经申请成功,但是离开就公司的时候,旧公司file了revoke,那有什么影响吗? ...

这个不影响
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 楼主| 屌丝回家种田 发表于 2015-5-15 10:13:25 | 显示全部楼层
x0857 发表于 2015-5-15 00:49 鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.
最近我也在研究这个问题。。。针对今年

昨天移民律师(一个纽约的美国律师,朋友推荐)给我的答复(同时 ...
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感觉就是不同律师说法不一样。。
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hzx0520 发表于 2015-5-15 12:35:51 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
屌丝回家种田 发表于 2015-5-15 10:12
这个不影响

也就是说只要新公司那边确认h1b搞定了,就可以放心大胆得跟这边辞职了?哪怕还没到10月1号,也算是占到cap名额了?
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 楼主| 屌丝回家种田 发表于 2015-5-15 12:43:14 | 显示全部楼层
hzx0520 发表于 2015-5-15 12:35
也就是说只要新公司那边确认h1b搞定了,就可以放心大胆得跟这边辞职了?哪怕还没到10月1号,也算是占到ca ...

新公司approve的话必然没问题啊。这是最基本的问题啊亲
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hzx0520 发表于 2015-5-15 13:01:08 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
屌丝回家种田 发表于 2015-5-15 12:43
新公司approve的话必然没问题啊。这是最基本的问题啊亲
. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs
如果新公司本身是可以办cap exempt 的那种机构呢?会不会容易approval一些?
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 楼主| 屌丝回家种田 发表于 2015-5-16 10:12:04 | 显示全部楼层
hzx0520 发表于 2015-5-15 13:01 鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.
如果新公司本身是可以办cap exempt 的那种机构呢?会不会容易approval一些?

. 鍥磋鎴戜滑@1point 3 acres如果是cap exempt的机构那跟本没有讨论的价值啊。还说什么容不容易approval?

我觉得你还是先做好功课再来地里问问题吧。
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sallylulu107 发表于 2015-5-29 01:31:42 | 显示全部楼层
楼主有新进展么??
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miles0411 发表于 2015-7-17 03:05:30 | 显示全部楼层
这件事情最後到底有没有一个准啊
律师说这两年在10月1号前转换很容易不过
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tommylotus 发表于 2015-7-17 07:58:45 | 显示全部楼层
感谢楼主的分享。请问楼主已经申请了H1B的transfer了吗?我也遇到同样的情况。有一家新的公司希望我在10月1日前就去工作,并且答应办理H1b transfer。不知道坛子里这样情况的朋友多不多。
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miles0411 发表于 2015-7-17 08:45:54 | 显示全部楼层
tommylotus 发表于 2015-7-17 07:58
感谢楼主的分享。请问楼主已经申请了H1B的transfer了吗?我也遇到同样的情况。有一家新的公司希望我在10月1 ...

你问过公司合作的律师了吗? 他们有提到风险或成功率吗?
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tommylotus 发表于 2015-7-17 09:39:35 | 显示全部楼层
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miles0411 发表于 2015-7-17 08:45
你问过公司合作的律师了吗? 他们有提到风险或成功率吗?

公司律师说是可以的。但是immigration girl 说从去年开始有被拒的案例,不过也有通过的。不知道今年有没有类似情况的同学。你也是类似情况吗?
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miles0411 发表于 2015-7-17 09:50:22 | 显示全部楼层
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tommylotus 发表于 2015-7-17 09:39
公司律师说是可以的。但是immigration girl 说从去年开始有被拒的案例,不过也有通过的。不知道今年有没 ...

是 因为公司合作的是大型的移民律师事务所 说已经看到够多的例子被移民局challenge了
他还是认为10月之後还是最万全的作法
我相信我们是少数例子...
因为差不多现在也才可能逐渐拿到approval notice除了是pp之外
但你律师说可以愿意做就让他做啦
我的律师不太愿意这麽做
你的律师有跟你说被拒之後相关风险吗



愁死了

. 1point 3acres 璁哄潧
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tommylotus 发表于 2015-7-17 09:52:34 | 显示全部楼层
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miles0411 发表于 2015-7-17 09:50
是 因为公司合作的是大型的移民律师事务所 说已经看到够多的例子被移民局challenge了
他还是认为10月之 ...

challenge是什么意思,是被denial还是ref?那你不打算10月1日前提交transfer吗?我公司律师说可以。
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miles0411 发表于 2015-7-17 09:55:08 | 显示全部楼层
tommylotus 发表于 2015-7-17 09:52
challenge是什么意思,是被denial还是ref?那你不打算10月1日前提交transfer吗?

都有可能 因为我们都还没在h1b状态下 移民局可以说你根本就没有h1b可转 请补充说明理由或直接拒绝

我的律师还在想办法 但其实我现在大概是压8月底上班 就是不知道为什麽公司不愿意再等那一个月
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