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[OPT] 如何轻松愉快的去为OPT extension灌一瓢水 (附带条款解读)

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wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 15:47:40 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-18 15:28 编辑

opt extension到24个月这个利国利民的大好事最近出现了一些不一样的声音,比如MITBBS上就有人发现官网上最近出现了水军按点上班黑OPT extension,导致每天80%的评论都是negative的苗头 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/JobHunting/33085427.html

看着这个不禁想起来刚发布的时候就有人提醒:
. 1point3acres.com/bbs
小伙伴们不要掉以轻心昂,公示结束后会有人评估,不是说new rule就一定通过的。所以像L123说的,大家一定要至少准备一条有意义的评论!. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴


不过相信很多小伙伴跟我一样,有着非常严重的”英文阅读障碍症“,所以面对这种情况最好的做法就是:装作忘了(╮(╯▽╰)╭). Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,


不过。。。内心一直有一个声音在提醒着我:这个时候你可不能装死啊啊啊!!!


于是lz又挣扎着爬起来,关掉琅琊榜,耐着性子把OPT extension的rule放到kindle里面认真地看了。。。2天! 发现。。。这事儿。。。挺容易对付的啊!因为DHS已经挖好了坑,等着大家去灌呢!!


不想看英文的同学看我这篇帖子就好啦,看到哪个坑顺眼就灌哪个坑,您随意,尽兴就好O(∩_∩)O. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,


更新: 有个可爱的码农同学做了一个提交comment的神器,可以避免cookies审查,小伙伴们直接在这里提交吧,它会返回tracking number -- 这个失效了,还是用原来的链接灌吧:http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ICEB-2015-0002-0011

. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs



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fishgo 发表于 2015-11-11 14:19:20 | 显示全部楼层
第四波
Comment Tracking Number: 1jz-8m6u-s04e
版主不必加米了,之前已经加过了~.1point3acres缃
大家加油啊!

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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 15:48:58 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 16:21 编辑
. visit 1point3acres.com for more.
再看下去,发现DHS关于这个OPT的提案是煞费苦心有备而来,现在的一些negative的评论,比如OPT学生pay 低啊,抢了美国人饭碗这些事情,在上一版08年的提案中就有人提出来了,DHS在这一版的提案中就这些都有理有据的一一回应了,所以我觉得在辩论吵架这件事情上,大家就不要去跟DHS抢风头啦,那些negative的评论,DHS自有文采比我们好 逻辑比我们清楚的人 来替我们打脸,我们要做的,就是找到DHS挖的坑,好好评论,给点个人案例作为论据就行啦~

A number of commenters, however, objected to the 17-month STEM OPT extension on the basis of potential negative impacts on U.S. workers in STEM fields. For instance, a commenter stated that demand for technical workers was very weak in engineering occupations and growing modestly in computing and mathematics occupations. The same commenter stated that, especially when combined with H-1B, L-1, and other skilled workers, the number of students taking advantage of the STEM OPT extension would distort the domestic labor market. Some commenters specifically stated that employers would prefer to hire F-1 students on STEM OPT extensions because these students would work for lower wages. Some commenters noted that some U.S. firms had previously advertised STEM positions as being available only to OPT students. Commenters requested that DHS consider written reports, testimony, and other sources describing the state of the U.S. STEM workforce. Commenters also questioned the veracity of studies and reports cited in the preamble to the 2008 IFR, and some questioned whether DHS had interpreted that information correctly in assessing the then-prevailing STEM labor market. Some commenters stated that the STEM OPT extension was contrary to the academic purpose of the F-1 statute. In general, commenters who made these and similar points requested that DHS eliminate the STEM OPT extension and the Cap Gap provision in their entirety.
DHS's initial assessment, consistent with many of the public comments and following consultation with the U.S. Departments of Education and Labor, is that the direct benefit to the academic experience resulting from the STEM OPT extension is significant, and that on the whole, positive indirect effects on educational institutions and academic exchange support the availability of a STEM OPT extension at this time. Nevertheless, DHS recognizes the concerns expressed above and proposes to modify the terms and conditions for employer participation in the STEM OPT extension in order to protect U.S. workers from possible employer abuses of these programs.
For instance, any employer wishing to hire a student participating in the STEM OPT extension would, as part of a newly required Mentoring and Training Plan, be required to sign a sworn attestation affirming that, among other things: (1) The employer has sufficient resources and personnel available and is prepared to provide appropriate mentoring and training in connection with the specified opportunity; (2) the employer will not terminate, lay off, or furlough a U.S. worker as a result of providing the STEM OPT to the student; and (3) the student's opportunity assists the student in attaining his or her training objectives. As with all affirmations contained in the Mentoring and Training Plan, the employer would attest that these commitments are true and correct to the best of the employer's knowledge, information and belief.
Additionally, the proposed rule would require that the terms and conditions of an employer's STEM practical training opportunity—including duties, hours and compensation [56] —be commensurate with those provided to the employer's similarly situated U.S. workers. Work duties must be designed to assist the student with continued learning and satisfy the existing ICE guidelines for work hours when participating in post-completion OPT, which are set at a minimum of 20 hours per week, and would be so defined under this proposed rule. [57] If the employer does not employ and has not recently employed more than two similarly situated U.S. workers, the employer would be required to ensure that the terms and conditions of a STEM practical training opportunity are commensurate with those for similarly situated U.S. workers in other employers of analogous size and industry and in the same geographic area of employment. “Similarly situated U.S. workers” would include U.S. workers performing similar duties and with similar educational backgrounds, employment experience, levels of responsibility, and skill sets as the STEM OPT student. The student's compensation would be reported on the Mentoring and Training Plan and the student would be responsible for reporting any adjustments. DHS requests public comment, especially from employers and labor organizations, on all aspects of this provision, including the types of business factors employers would use to evaluate whether their workers are similarly situated.
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lqzgz 发表于 2015-11-6 01:45:49 | 显示全部楼层
赞lz,下面是我根据lz的帖子,提供的comment。希望大家也尽量提供自己写的comment,给别人参考,如果comment里能结合自己或者身边的例子,那更好了。

首先,我拿自己来说,当年出国的时候选择来美国而不是去别的国家的原因就是美国能提供更好的training机会给foreign STEM talents,另外大部分美国的高科技领域都需要foreign STEM students的支撑,如果这个OPT extension突然没了,对很多公司都是个disaster。. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
I strongly support this new OPT extension rule. I'm an international computer science master student from China and was a software engineer intern at XXX. Before I came to US, I had multiple options to purse my master degree in US, Canada, Singapore, Hong Kong and British. The most important reason I choose to study here is US could provide me the industry training opportunity during school or after graduation. So OPT extension is very important to attract foreign STEM talents. Without this OPT extension rule, I can't believe US could still attract so many foreign STEM talents every year to contribute their knowledge to this country and I probably would choose to study in other countries with better policy to foreign STEM talents. BTW, if this rule is terminated by some reasons, it's definitely a huge disaster to most US high-tech companies, like Google, Apple, Intel, Facebook, etc. Because they are supported by foreign STEM talents. . 1point3acres.com/bbs

第二个就是说12+24个月时间还是挺好的,拿自己以前在公司里的例子来说,很多研究项目都要持续两年以上,如果时间太短了,员工没了VISA,项目就没法做下去了。
I think that 12 months regular + 24 months extension time is also a good length for OPT program. Based on my previous work experience at XXX, most large research/software development projects would last at least 2 years or more. If the OPT extension time is too short, foreign STEM workers worked on those project would lose their VISA before the projects completion.

最后就是我最后还是想回中国的,如果能在美国干个几年,回国才会有竞争力。
As I'm a Chinese STEM student and was born and living there, I would return back China eventually. Before then, I'd like to apply my knowledge learned from US university to US high-tech industry development. If I have about 3 years work experience in US, I would be competitive in the job market of China. That's why this new OPT rule would benefit both US high-tech industry and international STEM talents.

Hope more people support this good rule!. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴

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另外我打算让我房东也写一个comment,跟我一块住的几个同学基本都是STEM专业的,OPT extension成了,更多STEM专业学生来念书,还能让当地居民增加房租收入,何乐而不为~

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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 15:48:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 17:02 编辑
. more info on 1point3acres.com
开篇之前先说明一件事情:
OPT延期虽然对我们国际生来说是有很大的好处,但是美国的教育机构(academic sectors)才是最大的受益者。美国希望能够吸引到最优秀的学生来美国学习,所以才提出了一个OPT来帮助国际学生学得更好,学而实习之嘛,不亦乐乎。没错,我们是被拉拢被服务的对象,不要搞错了!按照DHS的说法,OPT是为了让美国的学术机构保持国际竞争力来吸引国际生的一个福利。 (英文都是官网原文)

As referenced above, DHS is taking this action to include a STEM OPT extension as part of the OPT program under the F-1 nonimmigrant classification in order to better ensure, among other important national interests, that the U.S. academic sector can remain competitive globally.

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Enabling continued extended OPT for qualifying students with experience in STEM fields is consistent with DHS's “Study in the States” initiative, announced after the 2008 IFR in September 2011 to encourage international students to study in the United States. That initiative particularly focused on enhancing our nation's economic, scientific and technological competitiveness by finding new ways to encourage talented international students to become involved in expanded post-graduate opportunities in the United States. The initiative has taken various steps to enhance and improve the Nation's nonimmigrant student programs. [

这个立场之下,咱们作为被拉拢对象,是有话要说的!. 1point 3acres 璁哄潧

1. 为什么来美国留学不去英国留学,就是因为美国毕业了可以有OPT工作嘛,OPT只有1年,吸引力大大下降了
DHS自己都说了,其他国家都在出台类似的手段吸引优秀的国际学生啊,你的政策不好,我们留学生自然还有别的选择,所以【此处应有评论】: 我当时选择美国留学是因为美国的教育与时俱进,而且结合了OPT项目可以让我们可以积攒到实际的industry的experience,没有OPT的美国教育就不一定那么吸引人咯。. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷

Countries such as Canada, the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Australia, Malaysia, Taiwan, and China are actively instituting new strategies to attract international students. [34]

For example, Canada also recognizes that educational institutions need international students to compete in the “global race for research talent.” [35] In April, 2008, Canada modified its Post-Graduation Work Permit Program to allow international students who have graduated from a recognized Canadian post-secondary institution to stay and gain valuable post-graduate work experience for a period equal to the length of the student's study program, up to a maximum of three years, with no restrictions on type of employment. [36] This change resulted in a 64% increase in the number of post-graduation work permits issued to international students in 2008. [37] By 2014, the number of internationalstudents in the program more than doubled its 2008 total. [38] In addition, Canada aims to double the number of international students in the country to 450,000 by 2022. [39]. 1point 3acres 璁哄潧
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2. 申请学校的时候听说是有17个月,有的人已经在17个月的extension中了,现在取消了,你让我怎么办(惨惨惨,你不守信用!)

DHS also recognizes that it must quickly address the imminent vacatur of the 2008 IFR, and the significant uncertainty surrounding the status of thousands of students in the United States. As of September 16, 2015, over 34,000 students were in the United States on a STEM OPT extension. In addition, hundreds of thousands of international students, most of whom are in F-1 status, have already chosen to enroll in U.S. educational institutions and are currently pursuing courses of study in fields that may provide eligibility for this program. Some of those students may have considered the opportunities offered by the STEM OPT extension when deciding whether to pursue their degree in the United States. DHS must therefore act swiftly to mitigate the uncertainty surrounding the 2008 IFR. Prompt action is particularly appropriate with respect to those students who have already committed to study in the United States, in part based on the possibility of furthering their education through an extended period of practical training in the world's leading STEM economy.[12]
【此处应有评论】: 来来,给你举个栗子

3. 工作三年的经验回国才值钱嘛,一年工作回去了身价不涨啊(实情嘛,说的文雅点哈)
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 15:50:03 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 18:02 编辑

DHS的坑挖得其实特别明显,只要搜索 DHS welcomes/requires comments 之类的关键字,看看上下文就知道它需要神马样的水,我会在后面的跟帖里面一一指出DHS挖的到底是哪些坑,大家看着灌就好^_^

另外这个new rule其实有很多细则跟我们是息息相关的,比如有关非STEM专业是不是也可以extension,另外今年还有一个mentor and  training plan, 可能会有一些隐形的福利哦,lz看的时候忍不住也摘出来评论了一番,利益相关的小伙伴可以拿着lz的英文原文到官网上搜搜上下文,更多的了解一下
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 15:50:21 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 16:37 编辑

1. 关于为什么是24个月
DHS自己就解释了啊: 很多国家自然基金支持的项目都是3-4年才能完成的,一年的根本不够啊。。。此处当然应有评论了啊!. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
.鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧
The duration of an extension would be set at 24 months, rather than limited to a shorter period, due to the complexity and typical durations of research, development, testing, and other projects commonly undertaken in STEM fields. Affording greater participation in STEM training through changes to the period of the STEM OPT extension would also help the nation and its academic institutions remain competitive in light of global efforts offering international students longer post-study training experience without restrictions on the type of work that may be performed. [45]

DHS considered many factors in determining the proposed length for an improved STEM OPT extension period. An important consideration was the general duration of projects to be pursued by students on STEM OPT extensions. DHS believes that students participating in practical training in STEM fields should be encouraged to pursue meaningful projects that contribute to a deeper understanding of their field of study and help develop the practical skills necessary to advance their careers. This type of significant project—often involving a grant or fellowship application, management of grant money, focused research, and publication of a report—typically requires several years to complete. Stakeholders have indicated, moreover, that this process often takes longer in the STEM community than in other academic or business areas. For example, the National Science Foundation (NSF) typically funds projects through grants that last for up to three years. [46] And in many fields such as mathematics, computer science, and the social sciences, NSF is the major source of federal funding. [47] 【大家不妨举例说说自己是什么领域的,都involve到什么项目中了,这个项目需要多久的时间,所以24个月的opt是必不可少的】
. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
Fostering integration of research and education through the types of programs, projects, and activities described above will help recruit, train, and prepare a diverse STEM workforce to advance the frontiers of science and participate in the U.S. technology-based economy. [48]Combined with the initial 12-month OPT period, a maximum 24-month STEM OPT extension would provide students a sufficient opportunity to participate through the life of such a grant. [49]Accordingly, and following consultation with the Department of Education and the National Science Foundation (NSF), DHS believes that an appropriate benchmark for the maximum duration of OPT for STEM students is the standard duration of an NSF grant—approximately three years.

DHS anticipates that the 24-month extension would significantly enhance the academic benefit of a STEM student's OPT experience. As noted above, many research projects take years to complete, and under the new STEM OPT extension, a student would have increased opportunities to learn how to apply for a grant or fellowship, become a responsible steward of grant money, initiate a study or project, see the study or project through to conclusion, write a report and obtain peer review, and have the report published. DHS requests public comment and the submission of empirical data in relation to this proposition. In addition, DHS requests public comment regarding the length of research, development, testing and other projects for which STEM graduates (regardless of nationality) from U.S. universities are typically assigned in the workplace.. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs

DHS挖坑挖得多明显, 简直就是直接呼喊:【此处应有评论】!!

大家说说说自己或者身边的例子,项目做到一半身份没了的不方便啊不方便。。。
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 16:03:07 | 显示全部楼层
另外大家如果实在想锻炼一下argument的能力,可以去看看有什么negative的评论,捉过来大家一起GRE Argument一下,当然最后打脸还需要您亲自动手啦^_^
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yls0327 发表于 2015-11-5 16:43:59 | 显示全部楼层
赞赞赞楼主!
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 16:49:44 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 17:06 编辑

2. 这个点很好support啊,比如Uber如果想在中国打开市场,就需要来自中国,了解中国市场的学生,现在FB,Google都在积极入华,大家可以举个栗子来说明一下
. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
U.S. employers will benefit from the increased ability to rely on the skills acquired by STEM OPT students while studying in the United States, as well as their knowledge of markets in their home countries.
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 16:54:45 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 17:19 编辑

.1point3acres缃3. 显然 "overwhelmingly positive"的support对于DHS是很有帮助的,所以 不管 说多说少 都去灌一瓢吧~~

Public comments received on the 2008 IFR were overwhelmingly positive. Although, as described in more detail below, many commenters recommended specific changes to the STEM OPT extension and some commenters objected to the 2008 IFR altogether, the vast majority of commenters—including students, educational institutions, advocacy groups, and STEM employers—expressed strong support for the rule's main provisions. DHS continues to believe that practical training is frequently a key element of F-1 students' educational experience, and that STEM students in particular may benefit from an extended period of time in practical training.
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 17:06:12 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 17:09 编辑 . 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴

4. 国际生给当地经济带来的繁荣
DHS已经把论点摆这儿了,就差你来贡献论据了。租房子给国际生的房东可以来一个,本地开uber的司机可以来一个吧,本地开餐馆开卡拉OK开超市的也可以来一个吧,实实在在的收入增长好嘛,大家如果能够说服身边这样的本地人士来comment一下就好了@@

international students have historically made significant contributions to the United States, both through the payment of tuition and other expenditures in the U.S. economy, as well as by significantly enhancing academic discourse and cultural exchange on campuses throughout the United States. In addition to these general benefits, STEM students further contribute through research, innovation, and the provision of knowledge and skills that help maintain and grow increasingly important sectors of the U.S. economy.

Foreign students, for example, regularly contribute a significant amount of money into the U.S. economy. According to statistics compiled by the Association of International Educators (NAFSA), foreign students made a net contribution of $26.8 billion to the U.S. economy in the 2013-2014 academic year. [13] This contribution included tuition ($19.8 billion) and living expenses for self and family ($16.7 billion), after adjusting for U.S. financial support ($9.7 billion). [14] And public colleges and universities particularly benefit from the payment of tuition by foreign students, especially in comparison to the tuition paid by in-state students. [15]

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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 17:13:18 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 17:18 编辑

5. 非STEM的学生也想分一杯羹?DHS不是没有考虑过的哦,积极评论才会被看到,非STEM的学生想要挤到这个extension的列表里面,可以考虑从这个方面来进行argue:比如我们的学习也需要involve到一些长期的项目中才能得到acknowledged的经验(看好会计专业的小伙伴们),这个rule里面有关于STEM专业是如何定义的有一些解释,利益相关人士可以好好看看

DHS believes that its definition of STEM fields should be tailored to capture those STEM fields of study for which an extension of practical training is most beneficial. DHS requests comment from the public on the academic benefit of the STEM OPT extension for STEM students generally as well as for specific STEM fields. DHS also requests comment on whether changes to the current content or structure of the list may be helpful or appropriate. [51] Although DHS is not currently considering expanding the STEM OPT extension to non-STEM fields, commenters are encouraged to compare STEM and non-STEM fields of study for purposes of commenting on this definition. As is the current process, DHS envisions that, upon finalizing this proposed rule, the agency would continue to accept, for DHS review, suggested additions to the STEM Designated Degree Program list at SEVP@ice.dhs.gov
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 17:26:23 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wsmjmiisme 于 2015-11-5 17:36 编辑
. more info on 1point3acres.com
5. 导师和培训计划
为了帮助学生真正能够在OPT中学到有用的经验,这次提案明确了“导师培训机制”,所以以后小伙伴们去公司opt工作的时候,肯定会有一个名义上的mentor的,万一哪天不幸被fire说不定有一些文章可以做,小伙伴们仔细研究一下政策对自己也有好处呀。

有一个negative的评论说很多国际学生是unqualified或者uneducated对于应聘的职位,Most of international students are unqualified and/or uneducated to their positions.
这种说法在这个条款面前就是不攻自破嘛,
DHS都规划的好好的了: OPT extension申请的时候是需要一份官方的review的,不合格根本不会给extend
美国水军也真是张口就来的. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴


D. Mentoring and Training Plan
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Multiple commenters to the 2008 IFR highlighted the important academic benefits associated with OPT participation. Commenters emphasized that real-world experience is a vital part of the educational experience, and that the opportunity for OPT participation draws high-quality students to the United States from around the world. Other commenters noted that the 2008 IFR did not include an explicit mechanism to inform employers of the purpose of or requirements associated with practical training..鐣欏璁哄潧-涓浜-涓夊垎鍦
. more info on 1point3acres.com
The proposed rule seeks to ensure that the STEM OPT extension more effectively enables STEM OPT students to obtain valuable practical work experience directly related to their fields of study. To achieve this aim, the proposed rule requires that employers incorporate a formal mentoring and training program for STEM OPT students. Mentoring is a time-tested and widely used strategic approach to developing professional skills. The mentor should be an experienced employee or group of employees who would teach and counsel the student. As part of this mentoring and training program, the employer would agree to take responsibility for the student's training and ensure that skill enhancement is the primary goal. The student would be required to prepare a formalized Mentoring and Training Plan with the employer and to submit the plan to the student's DSO before the DSO could recommend a STEM OPT extension in the student's SEVIS record. This would generally provide review of the Mentoring and Training Plan by the educational institution granting the degree related to the training. In cases where the student intends to use the newly proposed option of requesting an extension based on a previously-obtained degree, the review would come from the institution that provided the student's most recent degree (i.e., the institution whose official is certifying, based on SEVIS or official transcripts, that a prior STEM degree enables the student to continue his or her eligibility for the practical training). [52]

不禁怀疑GPA太低会不会影响OPT。。。。

To better ensure that the STEM OPT extension fulfills the specific practical training needs of STEM students, the employer that intends to provide a STEM OPT opportunity to a student would work with the student to design a customized training plan to enhance the practical skills and methods the student studied while attaining his or her degree. Such training plans would require specific training goals, as well as a description of how those goals will be achieved.

DHS also proposes that the student provide his or her DSO with an evaluation of his or her STEM OPT every six months, as well as a final evaluation at the conclusion of the OPT period. These evaluations would document the student's progress toward the agreed-upon training goals and thus better ensure that such goals are being met. The factors to be evaluated would be included on the Mentoring and Training Plan, which must be signed by both the student and the immediate supervisor at the student's workplace. The student's school of most recent enrollment would be responsible for ensuring ICE has access to records of student evaluations for a period of three years following completion of the student's STEM OPT training..鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧

DHS plans to incorporate the submission of the Mentoring and Training Plan into SEVIS at a later date. Until that time DHS may require the submission of the Plan to ICE or USCIS, including to USCIS when the student seeks certain benefit requests from USCIS, such as an application for employment authorization. Under 8 CFR 103.2(b)(8)(iii), USCIS may issue a Request for Evidence or Notice of Intent to Deny if all required initial evidence has been submitted, but the evidence submitted does not establish eligibility. Accordingly, USCIS may request a copy of the Mentoring and Training Plan, in addition to other documentation, when such documentation is necessary to determine an applicant's eligibility for the benefit, including instances when there is suspected fraud in the application.
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 17:46:58 | 显示全部楼层
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6. 关于歧视,关于抢工作,关键词是e-verify

DHS initiate了一个e-verify的program,来保证雇主雇人的时候不能根据employee的身份种族来歧视对待(见红字部分),而opt-extension的一个必要条件就是这个employer是e-verify的。这个极大的保护了我们国际生等弱势群体的时候在求职的时候的被公平对待。想想其实挺感激这个e-verify program的。
所以美国人号称工作被opt的国际生抢走其实是说不过去的。opt extension只会apply到e-verify的公司,而e-verify保证了大家求职的时候是会被一致对待的,不歧视国际生,肯定也不歧视本地人。

大家都公平竞争,你不满意,难道你想要明目张胆的discriminate国际生?

另外关于opt学生pay太低,所以导致employer愿意雇opt学生的说法也不成立。opt是实习身份,实习生pay本来就跟正式的工作身份不一样。且不说很多公司给opt的pay和h1b的pay是一样的,就算不一样,实习生比正式员工的pay低本来就是正常的,而且不仅仅是opt学生的pay低啊,就算你是citizen做实习也比转正以后工资低,这有什么好说的。这个事情的关键是”实习生的工资比正式员工低,导致公司愿意雇佣实习生而不是正式员工“,如果不满,可以去要求提高实习生的工资和福利待遇,而不是单单针对opt extension,因为opt extension只是实习生的一个子集 鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.

. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
DHS continues to believe that the E-Verify program is an important measure to ensure the integrity of the STEM OPT extension. The E-Verify program is an Internet-based service operated by USCIS, in partnership with the Social Security Administration (SSA). E-Verify is currently free to employers and is available in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. E-Verify electronically compares information contained on the Employment Eligibility Verification Form I-9 (herein Form I-9) with records contained in government databases to help employers verify the identity and employment eligibility of newly-hired employees. This program currently is the best means available for employers to determine employment eligibility of new hires and, in some cases, existing employees.

Before an employer can participate in the E-Verify program, the employer must enter into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with DHS and SSA. This memorandum requires employers to agree to abide by current legal hiring procedures and to follow required procedures in the E-Verify process to ensure that E-Verify maximizes the reliability and ease of use of the system, while preventing unauthorized disclosure of personal information and unlawful discriminatory practices based on national origin or citizenship status. Violation of the terms of this agreement by the employer is grounds for immediate termination of its participation in the program. [53]
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 楼主| wsmjmiisme 发表于 2015-11-5 17:58:06 | 显示全部楼层
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看到42%了,这个条款好长。。。。. 鍥磋鎴戜滑@1point 3 acres
lz要去吃饭看琅琊榜了,回头继续更新,抛砖引玉欢迎大家也来讨论,一定记得讨论完了以后要去评论。如果针对哪一条已经评论了,可以直接给我单个帖子评分,并加注”已灌” ,谢谢捧场!
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zzjj20112011 发表于 2015-11-5 20:23:58 | 显示全部楼层
顶一个,赞。好用心呀。
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LRcrystal 发表于 2015-11-6 00:32:09 | 显示全部楼层
已经灌水!不过comment需要审核多久?评论了negative的评论能看得到不?!
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ldpraymond 发表于 2015-11-6 00:46:45 | 显示全部楼层
又去写了一个comment。给楼主点个大大的赞!
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steveneo 发表于 2015-11-6 02:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
非常详细,赞lz,大家都号召同学朋友们写写去啊
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