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[OPT] OPT延长至24个月政策急需你的支持评论 否则很可能失败!!!

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sskiso 发表于 2015-11-8 12:28:47 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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本帖最后由 sskiso 于 2015-11-18 23:37 编辑

事关重大!!!!!!涉及所有在美国以及将要来美国留学的学生,如果不知道什么情况,请看W大的普及帖:重大消息:OPT要延期24个月,公示阶段大家马上行动来支持!
. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,

还有最后1天!!!数量还不够!
不到最后一刻,什么事情都有可能反复!!!大家坚持住!加油!!!
. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs

大家快去评论吧!!!(最后冲刺阶段!评论需要审核时间,大概4-5,然后你就能看到里,不要动摇!
每天至少一条!不要COPY别人的,要自己写,最起码要有改动!可以去反驳反对的评论,你就有针对性和想法了!提醒大家尽量以美国公民的立场来评论,即OPT延期给自己国家带来了什么切实的好处!)
转自W大:有朋友说有在美帝政府帮助整理评论的经验如果写评论的话,最好的是合理条例清晰的有理有据,这样regulator会认真读。简单的喊两声支持,是绝对会被忽略的
. more info on 1point3acres.com
点击右边绿色的“SUBMITA FORMAL COMMENT按钮,填写你的评论,然后提交,都不用注册!多么简单!多么简单!多么简单!!!. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,

大家直接用直接用Chrome 的incognito mode(隐私模式)来提交评论,防止评论被后端过滤掉。 Chrome右上角点开选择new incognito window),每次打开新的incognito window,这样cookie会被自动清理掉,以免我们辛辛苦苦写的comment被过滤掉。
[技术流] 如何防止你对opt Extension的评论被过滤
http://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/thread-147341-1-1.html


一个教你如何进入Incognito Mode的帖子,里面有各种方法适用于各种浏览器:
http://www.wikihow.com/Activate-Incognito-Mode

. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴现在中国和印度兄弟姐妹的评论逐渐多起来了,很多同学应该能看到自己的评论了,但还远远不够!!!大家加油!让反对声音淹没在我们的支持声中!!!

. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs

这个网站做的很好!点我提交评论!

建议大家换名字多提交几条,至于名字(美国名字 中国名字都可以啦),可以试试这个工具,姓名随机生成器网站


目前,评论页面上的负面评论越来越多,美国水军在不断刷屏,大家不要掉以轻心!!! 可以参考这个帖子OPT延期出现大量负面评论!
这次的24个月政策不是板上钉钉的事儿!!!至少我们在支持的评论数量上要压过对方!如果反对团体在质疑DHS的时候,DHS起码可以拿出一些材料来反驳他们,而“我们的支持评论”就是最好的材料!!!所以支持评论的数量一定要上去!坚持到1118号晚115959秒!还有10天!中国水军在世界上应该是战无不胜的!!!

如果这个政策不能通过,DHS在短期内无法迅速再采取措施反驳上次法院的OPT延期失效判决,明年2月份OPTEXTENSION就没有了!届时将有以“万”为单位的国际学生受到影响!

请大家联系自己认识的所有印度哥们姐们!告诉他们利害关系!让他们也加入战团!

U.S.stem中国学生数量庞大,为什么评论数只有区区几千?除了不知道该信息和看不到地里文章的同学以外,我认为可能有以下一些原因:
. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
1.认为DHS都发公告了,只是走个形式,肯定没问题了。  !!!错!!!
A:真的不是走形式!!!这公告是流程的一部分,你的评论也是其中的一部分,在DHS没有最后裁决前谁都不知道结果,我们一定要做好我们能做的,促使RULE通过!请看第2条!

2. 在哪里评论呢?不知道啊?
点击右边绿色的“SUBMITA FORMAL COMMENT”按钮,填写你的评论,然后提交,都不用注册!多么简单!多么简单!多么简单!!!(提交评论后可能需要第二天才能在下面的评论页面看到自己的评论)

如果你想看看其他人写了什么评论找找灵感,或者反驳那些反对的评论,地址在这里:请猛点我 !

请看第3条!

3. 不知道写些什么呀?
A:这里给个简单模版,要清晰地写明里面SUPPORT,然后列出原因:(作为潜在的留美学生(Potential Student)也是一个很好的出发点,分析OPT延期和其他国家留学政策的吸引力)

I strongly SUPPORTthe proposal for the following reasons:

1. The governmentshould let the students who learned knowledge from U.S. universitiesstay in the country and let them keep making contributions to theU.S..

2. Diversity is veryimportant for the U.S….., 很多牛人在美国取得重大成就之前都是美国的国际学生,等等。。。

3. Competition doesexist, but is not a bad thing.很多国际学生并没有拿着低工资去抢美国公民的饭碗,是那些岗位找不到合适的本国人。竞争可以帮助美国选拔更好的人才,提升所有人的平均水平,无论国际学生还是本国学生,可以更好地提高美国在全球的竞争力。。。

还有更多思路,请参考这2篇文章

4. h1bGreenCard Holder说:这与我无关了!
A:确实没有直接的关系了,但其中大部分人都是从OPT一步一步走过的,你们的力量也十分重要与珍贵!支持一下也可以为你们今后的生活增加善业(GoodKarma)!

.鐣欏璁哄潧-涓浜-涓夊垎鍦
最后,大家快去评论吧!!!(最后冲刺阶段!每天至少一条!不要COPY别人的,要自己写,最起码要有改动!可以去反驳反对的评论,你就有针对性和想法了!)


点击右边绿色的“SUBMITA FORMAL COMMENT按钮,填写你的评论,然后提交,都不用注册!多么简单!多么简单!多么简单!!!
鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.
建议大家换名字多提交几条,至于名字(美国名字 中国名字都可以啦),可以试试这个工具,姓名随机生成器网站

大家也可以把本帖转到MITBBS,文学城等大的华人论坛,大家都会支持的。另外如果大家知道任何印度人常逛的论坛也可以转发。团结一切可以团结的力量才是王道!





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Warald 发表于 2015-11-9 02:37:02 | 显示全部楼层

OPT延期岌岌可危!中国人马上行动起来!- W在着手处理,请支持!

大家要有组织的行动
1. 我去后台加几个活跃的同学做斑竹。你们负责一个comment tracking number加100大米(每人仅限一次) - 谢谢@abc_12345的提议
2. 我会把这个帖子全局置顶,并且会给论坛所有成员发短信提醒
3. 力量要集中!信息要集中!请大家集中在这个帖子里回复,建高楼。地里其他好帖子,我把回复也整过来
. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
需要大家做下面的事情:
1. 在这个帖子里把你的comment贴出来,拿出当年托福和GRE作文互改的精神,相互修改comments,语言表述要清楚,内容不要太极端,之后发掉
.1point3acres缃
2. 之前地里有位同学说发动房东去写,房东是美国人,收中国学生房租,利益直接相关。这个角非常好。
3. 要质量而不是单纯看数量!!请看一下下楼这位同学的长篇。

4. 我写好了帖子,会在我的微信公众号里发出。请大家在微信里转发 - 这个扩散力度最强!!请务必转发,而且号召你认识的所有人去转发,这样才有效应!!
我的公众号在末尾有二维码,或者搜索

待会继续更新
更新:

已经添加 @sskiso @austurela @闲庭听雨 @wsmjmiisme 作为版主,拜托四位同学负责管理!. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs
把其他几个帖子合并在这个下面了. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
微信公众号文章已发!小伙伴们,看你们扩散了,看你们行动了,大家在这个贴子里抱团!讨论办法、修改评论 etc,各尽其力

有读者告诉我:鉴于本人有在美帝政府帮助整理评论的经验,如果写评论的话,最好的是合理条例清晰的有理有据,这样regulator会认真读。不然的话,就超级大量刷舆论吧。简单的喊两声支持,是绝对会被忽略的。。 鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.

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cokecasper 发表于 2015-11-9 02:42:46 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 cokecasper 于 2015-11-9 02:46 编辑
鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.
我写的comment:
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It is unjust, shortsighted and against the interest of American people to deprive international students' legal right to work in US after graduation simply because they are not citizens. In addition, the belief that minimum wages cannot get raised because there are too many international students are also unreasonable and against fact. I am strongly convinced that allowing international students to prosper in the US would bring in far more jobs than the number saved by driving them out.

International students are making huge contributions to our country. Immigrant-founded Fortune 500 companies employed 3.6 million workers around the world in 2011 and were responsible for more than $1.7 trillion in revenues in 2010, according to the Partnership For A New American Economy (http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites/all/themes/pnae/img/new-american-fortune-500-june-2011.pdf). Most international students work in scientific and technology, and many of them are among the best in their fields. STEM are fields critical for the US to ace at in order to continue its leadership in the world. Each year, h1b holders pay more than 27%, and often more than 30% of their salary to the federal, and even more to the federal and the state. This money is used in increasing the medical and other welfare of American people.

International students have nearly nothing to do with the minimum wage. Almost all international students obtain their OPT in order to get an H1B visa, which requires the worker to meet a minimum salary standard that is far higher than the minimum wage level. For example, the minimum hourly pay standard for H1b holder is $24.16 in Albany, NY, and NY state has a minimum wage limit of $9.00. This is not even near! In fact, an international student needs about 3 times the salary of the minimum pay to stay in the US, and the payment is usually far higher than this because they usually work on comparatively rewarding positions like software engineer/developer.

On top of this, international students have very little responsibility for the current salary level in software and Internet industry. I am not an economist, but I work in the computer industry. My observation is that the main obstacle of a faster salary rise in this industry is outsourcing, not international students. Programmers who are educated outside America and mostly work outside America earn surprisingly low wages: some earn less than $10,000 per year and they can do the same thing (although usually in lower quality) American programmers do! They are the ones who steal our jobs and bring down our salary. What about international students? If they achieved a bachelor or master’s degree in the US, usually they have spent more than $100,000 in education. It is not reasonable to assume that they could accept low pay, given that they have already invested so much. International students are by no means cheap labor.

Rejecting international students would gain us a short-term, illusive relief that there might be temporarily fewer competitors in the job market. However, this short-term satisfaction would be at the cost of long-term benefits of American people and would cause the US to lose ground to the countries that welcome these students. STEM students go back to their country or go to other welcoming countries if rejected by the US. They will devote to scientific research, entrepreneurship, public policy and other fields that empower and create jobs for the country they serve for. Brain is power and it is a great loss to drive our highly educated brains to other countries. By ousting their talents America is creating the next Alibaba, not the next facebook!
. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,
What is worse, I believe the American salary level would be severely BROUGHT DOWN rather than driven up by this decision. On the contrary, let them stay will INCREASE not decrease jobs. Companies ship the jobs to India, China and many other countries with lower pay if they cannot hire enough high quality workers in the US, or if the cost of hiring a US worker is too high. On top of this, international students create more jobs by opening companies. According to Kauffman foundation, Immigrants were almost twice as likely to start businesses in 2012 as native-born Americans, and bout one-quarter of the engineering and technology companies started in the United States between 2006–2012 had at least one key founder who was an immigrant. Closing the door is not a good way to preserve jobs and increase wages. It will only cause more outsourcing and destroy our tech industry, and then our economy. Open the door and welcome talents all over the world! We will gain far more than we lose. 鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.

Admitted, international students’ participation in the job market itself would increase competition in the short term. You may find it harder to get into Google or Facebook because there are more talented people in the pool. However, if we reject them simply because of this, we should not educate our children at all – every college graduate enters the job market to increase competition. In the long term, competition increases efficiency, accelerates development and benefits us all. Do not let irrational fear of competition ruin our true interest.

American people are wise enough not to harm our long-term benefits by irrational fear and temporary, illusive satisfactions. International students are helping America grow, and are improving the welfare of American people. Losing them, on the other hand, will benefit our competitors and harm US interest. I strongly believe we should pass this proposal and pass more bills in the congress that could make it easier for the international students to stay.

DHS Docket No. ICEB-2015-0002。 请自由地取用论点和论据。不需要像我写这么长,我只是觉得应该有一些比较长的回复,但我们也要注意数量,多水!反对方也没有多少过硬的论据,无非宣泄情绪而已。

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johnM 发表于 2015-11-9 03:47:58 | 显示全部楼层
As a US citizen, I personally think OPT program abuse is too prevailing to be acceptable for US public. However, I do believe there should be common ground as US should retain talented foreign students while preventing abuse
Therefore I suggest the new OPT rule should be improved by these steps:

1) very clear and high enough prevailing wage requirement for employers to recruit students on OPT
2) set up a black list of companies that abuse OPT and H1b, those in black list will be forever barred from using OPT or H1b program.. 1point 3acres 璁哄潧
3)OPT program should only be available for students from top 50-100 US universities, the current provision "accredited Universities" is too vague.

tracking number:1jz-8m57-xjwd

I also suggest Chinese students to comment about how to improve the OPT extension as above, in this case, you can at least win support from relatively reasonable people like me

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lh5712 发表于 2015-11-9 04:02:38 | 显示全部楼层
还有希望大家能发转到自己国内的本科学校的论坛,这样的话大量的留学生就都会来评论

没有论坛的可以发到自己学校的留学生qq群,微信群


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kang1415926 发表于 2015-11-9 05:06:19 | 显示全部楼层
已评论:1jz-8m58-joqz
. more info on 1point3acres.com一条评完不放心,我又写了几条……
建议大家换名字多添几条,至于名字,可以试试这个工具,姓名随机生成器:http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/gen-random-us-us.php

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forever2xxx 发表于 2015-11-10 02:35:39 | 显示全部楼层
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不小心就写长了。。。感觉这个是把能想到的都写进去了,我接下来就是继续修改语言并且排解组合从各种角度写。还有就是针对一些negative comment进行反驳。最主要的还是要结合这ruling本身,而不是宽泛的谈论opt和移民。我打算把ruling再仔细看看,然后引用ruling里的文字给那些美国人打脸。
I strongly support this new ruling.
1. OPT program is directly related to US educational institutions and is fundamentally a selling point of the US educational market. A lot of people come to the US rather than go to other countries because of this benefit. If the extension was canceled, then it would be a threat to the US educational institutions financially. No one would ever want to bring CASH to the country anymore in exchange of education. The extension, to some degree, is a basic sales strategy that has worked well. .鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧
2. US higher education has been long short of enough students to do research. If the attractiveness of US education went down because of the cancellation of the extension, then the US research and high tech would be the first victim. US will lose its biggest advantage over other countries and will eventually lose its power.
3. People cannot equate OPT with the general immigration problem. OPT is very restrictive - only granted to those who have studied in a US institution. It is not even immigration. It is funny that US allows a lot of illegal immigrants to come to this country for free but does not give qualified people who are anxious in creating value for the United States to stay.
4 Some mentioned that US does not have a shortage of stem workers, which is so untrue. The companies not only need stem workers, but truly qualified skilled workers. A master student who have been in the university for 6 years is not the same as someone who attend a training course for 3 months. The poor high school stem education prevents the universities to produce enough skilled workers. .鐣欏璁哄潧-涓浜-涓夊垎鍦
5. If people do not have the right skill set but blame just those F1 students for taking their jobs, I do not see any hope in this country. Even the F1 students all left after graduation, the companies would just hire them overseas instead of hiring locals who are not capable of doing the job.
6. The rule is exactly there to solve the low wage problem. The wages for a lot of PhDs and Masters are the same or even higher than the US citizen. Only some other programs(ICC who abused the H1B program) may allow hiring unskilled workers from overseas. OPT is the wrong target if people really want to make sure that companies do not hire foreign nationals for lower cost. US citizens should be smart enough to have the right judgement for this issue, right?
7. OPT, even not a direct immigration issue, can also be related to immigration. OPT is itself a filter and will filter out people who are not good enough, as a three year period of working in a company is the best exam a student can take to prove his/her abilities. Those who are not good enough will get fired and go home. But those who can stay will have the option to either stay or leave after the end of the OPT period. The US government do not have to spend all the time and money and labor to come up with metrics to evaluate if an applicant is qualified for citizenship. Furthermore, a country needs immigrants, period. This is a fundamental economic rule that exists in nature. The two important driving force for economy are population and technology. Population-wise, companies needs demand to produce. Won’t people eat and rent houses and buy stuff and spend money here and there after they start working under OPT? Why do people only see OPT worker taking jobs, but not see the other aspects? Remember the financial crisis in the 1930s? Nobody wanted to buy stuff, and companies had to stop producing, and so laying off workers. Technology-wise, I think enough has been mentioned about how immigrants contribute to research and product development.
8. If students who are studying in the US all go back to their country after 1year’s of training, they will soon create value for their countries that will one day compete with the US companies. The US uses its own education to nurture its competitors?
鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧. 9. The fundamental reason for the extension to be 24 months is that a lot projects are 2~3 years long. It would be very much a trouble for companies to switch among different workers for the projects.
In summary, I think OPT extension is not a threat to the US and US citizens, but rather a benefit for exactly the US universities, companies, economy(and therefore for each individual.) Particularly, this very ruling is exactly out there to address people's concerns about abusing the OPT program and to make sure the OPT program will not become a drain for US jobs.

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maxli 发表于 2015-11-10 06:56:50 | 显示全部楼层
我找到了老美反对OPT的水军,一模一样的评论在短时间内被发了无数次。请问怎么举报?谁可以帮忙举报?

去comment那个页面看Oct 09的评论
鏉ユ簮涓浜.涓夊垎鍦拌鍧.
搜“would be a detriment to American tech workers, especially ”你就会发现很多重复的评论在被换着名字不停的发。这些ID都有
ICEB-2015-0002-7377
ICEB-2015-0002-7151
ICEB-2015-0002-7150
ICEB-2015-0002-7252
ICEB-2015-0002-7470. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,
ICEB-2015-0002-7116
ICEB-2015-0002-7113
ICEB-2015-0002-7131
ICEB-2015-0002-7040
ICEB-2015-0002-7190

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arcueidyang 发表于 2015-11-10 11:46:36 | 显示全部楼层
希望版主看到!!!!!!请大家提交评论之前清理一下这个网站的cookie,或者直接用Chrome 的incognito mode来提交评论,防止评论被后端过滤掉。我发现他是会set cookie并且生成一个csrf token的,如果不清理cookie每次的token都是一样的,可能会因为这个被后端过滤掉。

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austurela 发表于 2015-11-10 14:02:05 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 austurela 于 2015-11-10 14:14 编辑 . from: 1point3acres.com/bbs

(1)@eleanorelin_xue  的同学做了个网站,方便大家填写评论。网址是:sites.google.com/site/optextensionhelp/ 求扩散求帮转,让更多人来填写! (2)http://www.stopoverreach.com/ 有同学提供这个反对opt人的网站
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Jianshan_JL 发表于 2015-11-11 07:56:07 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Jianshan_JL 于 2015-11-11 07:57 编辑
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找了几个New York Times 和Reuters的评论文章,可以从中找到点新思路。

Should Foreign Graduates Get a Visa Edge?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/education/edlife/should-foreign-graduates-get-a-visa-edge.html?_r=0


“According to a Brookings Institution analysis, in 2010 only 30 percent of foreign graduates of U.S. universities received an H-1B visa, awarded to temporary workers in specialty occupations. And though 64 percent of all international students in science, technology, engineering and math, or STEM, come from India and China, they are still subject to the 7 percent cap per country that immigration law places on green cards. The wait is so long for permanent residency, many simply leave.”

“”In a letter supporting the Senate bill, 14 associations representing thousands of higher education institutions described an urgent need: “According to projections, the United States will face a shortfall of more than 200,000 advanced-degree STEM workers by 2018,” the associations wrote. “In many STEM areas, foreign students are a majority of the Ph.D. graduates from U.S. universities.” It went on to say that the “immigration system forces many of them to leave, sacrificing the innovation and economic growth they would create here.”. visit 1point3acres.com for more.
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“Or, as one prominent immigration lawyer, Stephen Yale-Loehr, put it: “Imagine if the next Google or Facebook were to be developed in India or China. All those jobs that could have been in the United States instead are being developed overseas and competing against our best companies.”. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,
. From 1point 3acres bbs
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/idUSnMKWzJN1wa+1d8+MKW20150407#jBqiM1Fq8xYvgEL4.97

http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-and-techology/court-ruling-threatens-status-of-50000-tech-visa-holders/
“The challenge to the OPT visas was brought, in part, based on concern by some parties that the OPT system places technology professionals born outside of the United States at a competitive advantage over U.S. born professionals.  Instead, the OPT program should be viewed as a method to protect the significant investment made by commercial enterprises and the United States government in STEM education programs.
-google 1point3acres
The OPT system helps to ensure that students educated through American STEM programs ultimately apply their skills and education in the United States.  Forced repatriation of OPT visa holders is unfair to the individuals involved, and it wastes the substantial U.S. resources invested in the education of those students.  The Department of Homeland Security should act immediately to satisfy the requirements of the court to ensure that extended OPT visas remain valid”
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reality 发表于 2015-11-11 10:30:32 | 显示全部楼层
maxli 发表于 2015-11-10 06:56.鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧
我找到了老美反对OPT的水军,一模一样的评论在短时间内被发了无数次。请问怎么举报?谁可以帮忙举报?

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他们是从这个网http://debates.numbersusa.com/ 复制粘贴的。这个网昨天有专门反对opt的sample 评论。今天突然页面改成这个,不过主题还是反移民。好想把这个网黑了, 可是我不会。。。
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lbjmj23 发表于 2015-11-11 10:44:58 | 显示全部楼层
已经给Stony Brook校长和Graduate Student Organization president写信陈述OPT extension rule相关信息。多谢 @gbmzjy分享经验。
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GSO回信了,让我代他们起草一封给Secretary of DHS的邮件,他们修改后发。吓死本宝宝了,大神们有没有什么模版或者参考意见。. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷
@W大 @sskiso @austurela @闲庭听雨 @wsmjmiisme
. visit 1point3acres.com for more.
多谢大家帮忙!也算是提供comments外另一种思路吧。多动员各个组织的力量,督促各方用官方的渠道交流,提供意见。
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littlelambwh 发表于 2015-11-14 00:25:42 | 显示全部楼层
建议大家看一下这个链接,里面用各种数据表明foreign nation worker 没有降低wage,没有抢了native born worker的工作。http://www.americanimmigrationco ... es-jobs-and-economy 。可以为大家增加论点
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哆啦嗦 发表于 2015-11-9 03:20:58 | 显示全部楼层
我已经已经一个人从 hr, 中国妈妈, 正在美帝的留学生三个角度去评论了opt,
我得再分身变成potential student 去写一个了。

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SuperHornet 发表于 2015-11-10 04:04:03 | 显示全部楼层
个人觉得我们不光要自己去评论,还好发动周围的同学(不光是中国同学,还有印度人和美国人),熟悉的老师,学校国际学生管理机构,以及其他美国朋友去评论。目前看来评论里面大部分美国人名下的评论都是负面的。我不知道最后会不会把国际学生的评论都过滤掉,或者给美国人的评论更多的权重。但是很明显目前很多参与评论的美国人看起来就是反移民组织号召的水军,而大多数普通美国人可能并不了解这件事(我们很多利益相关的同学都不清楚,更不用说他们了)。因此与其自己每天换名字去刷评论,不如多号召周围的人去评论。不用担心被号召的美国人反而去写负面的评论,因为我相信我周围的美国人大多数是理性的,如果都是像那些水军一样,那我觉得这个鸟蛋国家也没啥好待下去的了。. 鐣欏鐢宠璁哄潧-涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
-google 1point3acres
我浏览了一圈没发现论坛里有邮件模板去号召别人写评论,于是自己写了一个,然后用学校邮箱群发了5,60封给组里的同学,系里熟悉的老师等等
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Title: Public Comments on New Proposed OPT Extension Rules for F-1 Students with STEM Degrees. Waral 鍗氬鏈夋洿澶氭枃绔,

Hi All,

Sorry for bothering you. Some of you might have heard of the new proposed OPT extension rules for F-1 students with STEM (science, technology, engineering) degrees.

OPT (optional practical training) is the period during which F-1 students who have completed their degrees are permitted to legally work in U.S. OPT extension which was announced in 2008 extended this period by 19months for F-1 students with STEM degrees (Wiki链接OPT ). For most F-1 students who want to legally work in U.S. after graduation, OPT and its extension are crucial for them to prepare for applications to H-1B visa or green cards later.
. From 1point 3acres bbs
However, the OPT extension was judged illegal this August because it didn’t go through the public comments before it was issued in 2008 (英文网站链接). According to this judgement, the OPT extension will be cancelled in February 2016. Therefore, there will be only one chance for STEM F-1 students to participate in the year-round H-1B visa lottery. If you didn’t get H-1B visa in the lottery, you will be forced to leave U.S. after the end of 12 months’ OPT. Considering the fixed H-1B quota (85,000 per year) and the increasing number of applicants (around 230,000 in 2015), hundreds of thousands STEM F-1 students who are working in U.S.  or planning to find a job here after graduation using OPT will be affected by this change.

As a remedy, U.S. Homeland Security proposed a new extension rule on Oct 18, 2015 to replace the old one (新OPT网站链接 ). It will extend the existing OPT by 24 months, which means you could legally work in U.S. for 3 years and apply to H-1B visa during this period, IF IT IS ISSUED. To make sure it is legal this time, the new rule is now under public comments stage. This public comment window will be open for 1 month which means there is ONLY 10 days left.

HOWEVER, some anti-immigrants organizations who sued Homeland Security for the old OPT extension rule have dominated the comments (新OPT评论页面链接 ). If you think the new rule matters to you, PLEASE leave your comments BY Nov 18, 2015 11:59 PM ET (click the green button ‘SUBMIT A FORMAL COMMENT’at 新OPT网站). It will be better if you could make detailed arguments on the effects of new rules on not only STEM F-1 students but also on U.S. economy and Americans. You can refer to comments on 2008 Version OPT extension rules (旧OPT评论网页 )

Feel free to forward this message to anyone with concerns on it. It will be even better if you could encourage more people to comment on it.

Thanks a lot for your help! . from: 1point3acres.com/bbs
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为了尽量保持中立,我没有直接号召一定要写正面评论,但是意思不言自明。唯一的问题是收到邮件的美国人可能不知道该如何评论。因此有需要的版友可以对这个模板进行修改,添加一些反驳的要点供他们参考。我的导师(美国人)收到邮件后立刻回复说要去写一条有用的评论,让我给点意见,我非常感动。组里的一个印度人看完邮件后在办公室大骂了一声f***然后去写评论了。所以大家一定要多号召周围的人去评论!

新手上路,不能发网页链接,因此模板邮件里面的相关链接还需要大家自己找到替换掉,谢谢!

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yaoyun 发表于 2015-11-9 06:05:15 | 显示全部楼层
Comment Tracking Number: 1jz-8m5a-kfse
虽然我已经拿到H1b, 但是还是希望大家继续加油让这个延期政策能够顺利实施,造福后面的人。

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harryang 发表于 2015-11-10 20:22:54 | 显示全部楼层
请大家提交评论之前清理一下这个网站的cookie,或者直接用Chrome 的incognito mode来提交评论,防止评论被后端过滤掉。我发现他是会set cookie并且生成一个csrf token的,如果不清理cookie每次的token都是一样的,可能会因为这个被后端过滤掉。

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DWill008 发表于 2015-11-9 06:27:57 | 显示全部楼层
Comment Tracking Number: 1jz-8m5a-gjwh
再来一条,提了下opt extension是双赢的政策,并且驳斥了对方觉得OPT extension 会抢美国人工作的观点。

I strongly support this proposed rule since this is a win-win strategy for both US and international students who attained or is going to attain STEM degree in US. On one side, US tech companies rely on international students to create values for their companies, which bring more revenue and then be converted to tax for IRS. And this tax would benefit each US citizens here. For international students here, this is a good opportunity to apply what they learned in class and gain more real-world industry.. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴

After reviewing so many negative comments who object the proposed rule. I found something they have in common: they are really afraid that US citizens will lose their jobs in all the industries.. visit 1point3acres.com for more.
I don't think they have to worry about this at all. First, the proposed rule only benefits international employees who attained their STEM degree in US. And OPT extension only allows them to work in tech industry. Working in any other industry will be illegal and they will get deported if they get caught. Second, it was because US citizens cannot fill in the void in the US tech industry that international student can come in. US tech companies definitely prefer US citizens over international students if they have the same skill set and capability because they can work here without any restrictions whereas international students need sponsor from those tech companies. And those tech companies is risking potential loss of those international employees because of the H1B lottery system. So, why would they choose international employees if they have to face those troubles?

So, if those people really need something to worry about, this is what they are supposed to worry about: why not spending more time improving their own skills set those companies are looking for instead of wasting time leaving negative comments here? Competitions are everywhere in the world. Tech companies will never hire you if you are not qualified regardless of your citizenship! Only the strong survive!

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 楼主| sskiso 发表于 2015-11-12 12:52:51 | 显示全部楼层
看到一条美国人的评论:
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As a senior manager in one of the most influential technology company in the Valley, I would advise that, if this proposal die, the valley will die.

Every year we hire about 200 college students as our new software engineers. However, only less than 25% of them are native Americans. We do not have a discrimination over Native Americans. Our hiring process is fair, and this fair process led to a significant amount of foreign hires. This simply means that the foreign students are more qualified.
. 1point3acres.com/bbs
Thus, please pass the proposal.
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zzjj20112011 发表于 2015-11-8 12:56:03 | 显示全部楼层
好的连接,加油。号召所有的力量。
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caominki 发表于 2015-11-8 13:04:41 | 显示全部楼层
Comment Tracking Number: 1jz-8m4t-xoi6

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micheljyc 发表于 2015-11-8 15:16:09 | 显示全部楼层
顶一下这个帖子,我觉得真的有必要拜托一些大v撰写新的稿子再次号召大家评论
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MomoChan 发表于 2015-11-8 23:58:10 | 显示全部楼层
感觉已经被负面评论刷频了,而且美国人写起来都是大段大段的GRE6分作文
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闲庭听雨 发表于 2015-11-9 00:00:37 | 显示全部楼层
顶上去!!大家快去评论啊!!这事成不成真的靠我们每个人的努力啊!
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miaozl1991 发表于 2015-11-9 00:04:08 | 显示全部楼层
水了几年了,出来顶一帖
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闲庭听雨 发表于 2015-11-9 00:20:33 | 显示全部楼层
“It is abhorrent that the OPT program exists at all. And it is even WORSE that you propose to extend it! Citizenship in this nation is becoming worth less and less, to the point that being a citizen is worth nothing at all. Why be a "citizen" when non-citizens ARE TREATED BETTER??? Disgusting!”. From 1point 3acres bbs

看看这些触目惊心的反对言论。。。你还有理由袖手旁观吗??行动起来吧,如果自己的利益自己不去争取,谁也不会在乎你。
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Frankhappens 发表于 2015-11-9 00:39:08 | 显示全部楼层
事在人为总比听天由命好
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地里小马甲 发表于 2015-11-9 00:41:25 | 显示全部楼层
发过评论了~~
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哆啦嗦 发表于 2015-11-9 01:09:33 | 显示全部楼层
强烈建议那些申请留学的孩子也来写啊!这个不仅影响我们这些在美国的人,对千千万万的后来者的影响力才最大啊!
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mz31098 发表于 2015-11-9 01:18:45 | 显示全部楼层
评论过了,还没显示出来,1jz-8m55-eyok

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austurela 发表于 2015-11-9 01:18:53 | 显示全部楼层

opt评论论点征集,每人一条

本帖最后由 austurela 于 2015-11-9 01:37 编辑

大家多提供思路,方便后人写评论,直接在这个基础上改改也可以。还有,大家要把观点清楚地表达在第一句话。有些评论写的太绕,根本让人看不出态度。
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Template:Opening:
(1) YES! I DO SUPPORT the opt-extension. (2) I believe OPT-extension if NECESSARY for our country. (3) YES, OPT-extension would be in the best interest of our nation.

Firstly, xxx. In addition, xxx. What's more, xxx. 自己加个总结。

我的论点1:. more info on 1point3acres.com
Over the years, foreign tech workers contributed tramendous growth to the USA economy. If USA lose this force, USA loses a large portion of growth that the foreign workers bring about. Without policies like OPT-extension, it would just be a matter of time before USA becomes another mundane country where miracles no longer happen. Without the embraciveness of foreign workers, I can forsee someday very soon when USA economy stagnates, people lose jobs, and social problems arises. DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN. APPROVE the OPT-extension.
-google 1point3acres
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The request to place the right of citizens over non-citizens is simply RIDICULOUS. Just remember, every citizen or their ancester once was an immigrant.

3:
As someone experienced in the tech industry, I can tell you with my reputation that the tech companies can never hire enough talents these days. Go ask the hiring managers and recruiters, they will tell you the same. Yes, USA probably has a lot of STEM people, but it simply does not have enough STEM talents. See, there is a distinction between normal people and talents. USA needs the talents from foreign workers to keep its machiens running well, and running better than the rest of the world.
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linjunch 发表于 2015-11-9 01:31:59 | 显示全部楼层
晕,找了两次都找不到评论的地方,英语不好,算了。
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cokecasper 发表于 2015-11-9 01:36:04 | 显示全部楼层
我能想到的论点:
1.国际学生给美国带来了巨大贡献。国际学生提高而不是降低了工资水平,让他们创业带来更多的就业机会,帮助美国寻找下一个增长点,而且交了很多税。
2.国际学生和最低工资基本上毫无关系,也不该让他们为软件及互联网行业工资增长停滞的现象负责。真正造成停滞的是工作外包和行业进步减速。前者正是因为我们拒绝外国学生留下,公司倾向于找成本更低的没有美国留学经验的外国程序员。后者则是因为创新动力减少,这也是外国留学生纷纷回国造成的,因为我们培养的拥有创新能力的人才都被我们自己赶走了!
3.赶走国际学生会带来暂时的relief,但长期不仅不利于美国的战略利益,而且不利于美国老百姓的切身利益。如果他们都回去了,美国工作会外流到国外更便宜的地区,美国创新能力会枯竭。可以列举这两年中国互联网日新月异的变化,几乎所有的创业者都有美国留学经验,这说明美国正在驱赶自己的创新者、job creator。

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348210207 发表于 2015-11-9 01:50:44 | 显示全部楼层
linjunch 发表于 2015-11-9 01:31
晕,找了两次都找不到评论的地方,英语不好,算了。
. more info on 1point3acres.com
屏幕最上端,submit formal comment
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dy6923 发表于 2015-11-9 02:01:46 | 显示全部楼层
已评论,不过感觉三哥三姐在这事上应该更积极啊
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kac 发表于 2015-11-9 02:05:50 | 显示全部楼层
之前觉得正面评价不少,最近就没有写,看来要开始每天一刷了
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yishi718 发表于 2015-11-9 02:16:31 | 显示全部楼层
写了三条驳斥negative comment 的 理由:
I want to dispute those arguments of negative comments:.1point3acres缃
Foreign Students take away jobs and do not pay tax: foreign students working on OPT PAY TAX and they help local economies. Without foreign students, US universities and research institutions will face huge loss.Those property renting, food service and other industries will face huge loss

Why not invest in US students more instead of recruiting foreign students: there is no guarantee how long it will take and how much it will cost to train all US students  to fully compensate loss of foreign students. 1point3acres.com/bbs

There is no shortage of US students in STEM: Quantity does not mean quality. There are also a huge number of foreign students in STEM but only a very small proportion of them can pass the strict interviews and finally get a job by US companies

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闲庭听雨 发表于 2015-11-9 02:28:56 | 显示全部楼层
国际学生过来大把大把地交着学费,本来就是对美国经济的巨大贡献,如果废止OPT势必会打击国际学生的积极性,对美国经济必然产生很大的不良影响
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