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[OPT] OPT延期负面评价仍然很多

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zhouqi1991722 发表于 2015-11-10 06:01:15 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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11月9号的负面评价仍然占大多数。显示的总评价是7000多条。觉得很奇怪,昨天应该有1300多条正评价,为何今天仍然是负评价居多。大家注意下提交是否成功。或者网站有选择性的公布评论?
felixstar 发表于 2015-11-10 16:00:05 | 显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 felixstar 于 2015-11-10 16:18 编辑 . 1point3acres.com/bbs

看了下普遍的美国loser们的负面评论,总结了几点以反驳,希望对大家有帮助。 自己刚刚从这个过程中走出来,深受其害!
The ruling NEEDS TO BE APPROVED for following reasons:
. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
1. The STEM students are NOT competing with most American workers. Most jobs these students take are the developer or modeling positions that require advanced quantitative skills, which most American do not enroll in college or graduate studies. Just look at the percentage of foreign students in the STEM majors. Without proper work authorization for the STEM students, most large tech companies will relocate their development department off shore, which is already a trend due to the broken H1-B system. Think about it again for those Americans claiming that STEM students stealing their job opportunities! If there is no attraction to students studying in STEM majors in US, there will be NO reason to place the company offices in US for those large global companies!

2. The arguments by some of the American workers that foreign students have advantage because of a lower salary than hiring an American are NOT TURE. Companies generally pay the same salary for the same position, regardless of the citizenship. Actually, to hire an international student, companies generally need to pay more for their visa and work authorization petitions such as H1B or even green card application, which costs significantly amount of money to hire lawyers and pay application fees.
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3. The objection by most commenters are BLINDED and simply pointing to a WRONG group! What really takes the job opportunities from American workers are those who applied work visas abusively from overseas directly. Out of the 65K quota for H1b every year, tens of thousands are simply taken by the few indian consulting companies (namely Infosys, Tata). (可以添加2015H1B visa report的链接,我发不了). Due to the abusive behaviors overseas (some even filed 7-8 petitions using different companies just to increase the chance of being picked in the lottery), the chance for a student with advanced degree in US has become notoriously low (probably only 20% for a bachelor degree, and 40% for MS degree or higher, and this is expected to be SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER in 2017 Fiscal year, if no actions taken to deal with these abusive behaviors of multiple petitions in the H1B lottery).. visit 1point3acres.com for more.

The fix to the H1b system is NECESSARY with no doubt! Unfortunately, there won't be any solution in a short term due to the notoriously known slow legislation in US. This new ruling is effective to provide students in US the fair right to work for US companies without any interruption in their practical training or worrieness about work authorization issue. The objection by most commenters should be towards the BROKEN H1b system- which has brought a lot of Indian "technicians" into US to consume the training resources in US before they can actually work competently and directly compete with graduates from US universities. Actually, students that have completed studies in US need to be protected rather than be blamed, to improve the quality of US productive power.

4. The argument that there will be a loss in Social Security/Medi Care is SHORT SIGHTED. As previously mentioned, without OPT for foreign students, there will be less to no advantage for US universities than other countries' universities. The tuition income for US universities and all related income generated by foreign students will be lost. In addition, students that stayed in US for more than 5 years in F-1 status or transferred to a H1-B status or Permanent Reisdency still require to pay the Social Security and Medi Care Tax, which seems to be simply OVERLOOKED by most negative comments.

For the future of US economy, this rule needs to be approved without any question. Think twice for those objecting to this rule!
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eleanorelin_xue 发表于 2015-11-10 13:15:26 | 显示全部楼层
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我们做了一个网站 帮助大家快速回复!求分享,求扩散。 sites.google.com/site/optextensionhelp/
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pulchritudist 发表于 2015-11-10 15:40:53 | 显示全部楼层
我发现我自己的很多5 6 天前的评论还是没有显示 可是最开始的是在的 我注意到有这样一个回复:. 涓浜-涓夊垎-鍦帮紝鐙鍙戝竷

希望版主看到!!!!!!请大家提交评论之前清理一下这个网站的cookie,或者直接用Chrome 的incognito mode来提交评论,防止评论被后端过滤掉。我发现他是会set cookie并且生成一个csrf token的,如果不清理cookie每次的token都是一样的,可能会因为这个被后端过滤掉。

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loganuci 发表于 2015-11-10 06:04:13 | 显示全部楼层
我昨天今天写的两条都还在审核没有发布,多数应该是这个情况
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linoccur 发表于 2015-11-10 10:44:10 | 显示全部楼层
同楼上,我昨天发布的评论也仍然在审核,没有发布,不知道是不是真的在选择性发布
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JESSIE5590 发表于 2015-11-10 11:00:55 | 显示全部楼层
linoccur 发表于 2015-11-10 10:44
同楼上,我昨天发布的评论也仍然在审核,没有发布,不知道是不是真的在选择性发布

应该不会,我之前灌水灌了十多条都发布了的。人工审阅滞后比较多,2-3天都正常,保存好tracking number随时查询就好。我感觉是他们的处理速度完全跟不上我们的发帖速度。之前多的时候一天能放出1000多条,少的时候只能几百条。所以今天放出来的评论基本都是美国水军上周五发的。不鸟他继续发就是。
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zhengshuomm 发表于 2015-11-10 12:10:05 | 显示全部楼层
这个评论网站见鬼了,我发的两篇都没出来。. more info on 1point3acres.com
忘记tracking number 有啥办法查找么
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JESSIE5590 发表于 2015-11-10 13:13:20 | 显示全部楼层
zhengshuomm 发表于 2015-11-10 12:10
这个评论网站见鬼了,我发的两篇都没出来。. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs
忘记tracking number 有啥办法查找么
. from: 1point3acres.com/bbs
不着急等两天就有了。。。到时候用你的名字就可以搜出来
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loganuci 发表于 2015-11-11 03:10:50 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 loganuci 于 2015-11-10 11:14 编辑
felixstar 发表于 2015-11-10 00:00
看了下普遍的美国loser们的负面评论,总结了几点以反驳,希望对大家有帮助。 自己刚刚从这个过程中走出来, ...

楼上写的实在很好,条条要害,掷地有声!希望大家能多写一些这类的评论。不要copy原话,可以用相似论点。我觉得比较好的角度除了楼上这种有针对性的反驳以外,还有:

- 如果STEM extension取消,写自己将会受到的实际影响、受到的个人事业和家庭的困难,写具体一点。这个角度是最真实的,是一个一个此rule最直接的相关人。那些胡乱捏造事实的反对者论调和这种事实比就显得苍白了。(最好不要从自己的American dream角度写,虽然不是不可以,但是个人认为从“应得的权益受到损害、受到就业歧视、不公平对待”的角度更能唤起他人的支持)

- 如果有research对STEM有利的相关数据,可以丢出来。数据这东西是open to interpretation的,背后和STEM extension有多少联系不好说清,他们反方也会瞎丢数据,所以丢数据的时候可以尽量从科学的角度支持自己的观点,同时怀疑对方数据和STEM ext是否有因果关系。
.鏈枃鍘熷垱鑷1point3acres璁哄潧
- 还有就是之前有同学发过的帖子,DHS原文解析,已经写得非常到位了。大家以那些论点为题,写议论文就好了。

重复一下官方的声明:不要写很短很简单的“投票表态类”评论,这不是投票,官方认为一篇有理有据的评论强于1000条模板类表态类的评论。
. 鐗涗汉浜戦泦,涓浜╀笁鍒嗗湴
有同学提到用浏览器incognito mode提交评论,有道理!后来人可以注意!

大家加油写啊!
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