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[H1B] AILA在9月5日发的怎么回复H-1B Level 1 or 2 wage issues的文章

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不知道大家知不知道这份文件,AILA (American Immigration Lawyers Association)在8月31号时发的90分钟的音频,9月5号发的文字,标题是“Practice Pointer: Responding to H-1B Requests for Evidence (RFEs) Raising Level 1 or Level 2 Wage Issues”。文字版一共32页,大家感兴趣的可以去搜一下看搜不搜得到。
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楼主你好!我也因为同样原因被RFE,能不能把模板发到我的邮箱? 感激不尽!nancyyu318@gmail.com
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ibm20023 2017-9-19 02:42:35 | 显示全部楼层
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我要是移民局,我看到这个我就一份Decision Notice Mailed拍脸了。。。

人家手里握着生死簿,你跟阎王爷argue你应该多活几年有用吗?除非你是孙猴子,能把生死簿毁了,否则都是扯淡。
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 楼主| lvmsl 2017-9-13 04:57:36 | 显示全部楼层
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文件太长了,我直接把一些怎么回复这方面RFE的建议大概总结一下慢慢放过来吧:
1. Responding to a USCIS Claim that a Level 1 Wage is Inappropriate Given the Complexity of the Job Duties:In crafting a response to the RFE, AILA members may wish to direct the adjudicator to the full context of the Wage Guidance, which explicitly provides that “[a]ll prevailing wage determinations shall start with an entry level wage and progress to a wage that is commensurate with that of a qualified, experienced, or fully competent worker only after considering the experience, education and skill requirements of an employer’s job description (opportunity).”12 In other words, the wage determination is primarily focused on the requirements (experience, education, and skills) for the position rather than the complexity of the duties.
AILA members should also consider walking the adjudicator through Steps 1 through 5 of Appendix A of the Wage Guidance, demonstrating through use of the “Appendix C: Worksheet for Use in Determining OES Wage Level”13 that the position was appropriately classified as a Level 1 wage, and that the certified LCA corresponds to the position.14 For example, if theproffered position requires a bachelor’s degree, one year of experience, no special skills, and no supervisory duties, the Appendix C Worksheet should be Level 1 for both an O*Net Job Zone 4 and Job Zone 5 occupation, irrespective of the complexity of the duties. Submitting the Appendix C Worksheet will help document this for the adjudicator.15
Another argument is that the “basic understanding” required for a Level 1 wage would be any education or experience necessary to enter the occupation. For most Job Zone 4 and all Job Zone 5 occupations, this would include a bachelor’s degree in a related field, or its equivalent. In other words, for many occupations, a “basic understanding” requires many years of study, or even experience, in a specific field. For example, an Actuary would need to have at least a basic understanding of how to perform complex actuarial pricing analysis (one of the described job duties) and such knowledge would typically be gained from a bachelor’s degree program in Actuarial Science (or a related field). The acquisition of “basic understanding” from an undergraduate degree program in a given field is what actually renders the offered position a specialty occupation, thereby meeting the statutory requirements for H-1B classification. Therefore, a Level 1 wage would be appropriate because the level of understanding required is that gained through a bachelor’s degree only.
Petitions falling within O*Net Job Zone 516 should emphasize the extensive requirements for the position. According to O*NET, “[m]ost of these occupations require graduate school. For example, they may require a master's degree, and some require a Ph.D., M.D., or J.D. (law degree).”17 Moreover, “[e]xtensive skill, knowledge, and experience are needed for these occupations. Many require more than five years of experience. For example, surgeons must complete four years of college and an additional five to seven years of specialized medical training to be able to do their job.”18 Because extensive education and experience is required for even entry-level positions in one of these occupations, explain that the position clearly qualifies as a specialty occupation and that a Level 1 wage is appropriate. For example, a Level 1 wage is justifiably appropriate for the position of Dentist where the job requires a DDS or DMD, given that this is a Job Zone 5 occupational classification where at minimum a dental school degree is required.
Finally, note that under 8 CFR §214.2(h)(4)(i)(B)(2), USCIS is directed only to “determine if the [labor condition] application involves a specialty occupation as defined in [INA §214(i)(1)]” and to determine whether the alien qualifies to perform the services as described in the specialty occupation. Though USCIS may disregard the LCA when making this determination, its scope of review must nonetheless focus solely on a determination as to whether the occupation is a “specialty occupation.” Nothing in 8 CFR §214.2(h)(4)(i)(B) authorizes USCIS to review the appropriateness of the wage level. Nor does the term “wage level” appear anywhere in 8 CFR§214.2(h). In addition, the “specialty occupation” criteria found at 8 CFR §214.2(h)(4)(iii)(A) make no mention of a review of the LCA. As such, there is no regulatory basis for this request.
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2. Responding to a USCIS Claim that the Position is Not a “Specialty Occupation” Because the Level 1 Wage Indicates it is an Entry-Level Position:The regulation at 8 CFR §214.2(h)(4)(ii) identifies several examples of specialty occupations, including, but not limited to “architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, business specialties, accounting, law, theology, and the arts.”19 Each of these occupations requires a degree in a particular field of study, and every year, students graduate and enter each of these occupations at an entry level. Specialty occupations are of course not limited to these examples, but include any occupation in which a bachelor’s degree (or its equivalent) in a specific field of study is required for entry into the occupation.
Nothing in the statute or regulations suggests that entry-level positions in these occupations change the character of the occupation itself. Indeed, such a suggestion would be a logical non-sequitur; if the occupation is a specialty occupation because the entry requirements are a baccalaureate education in a particular field, a person with that education, but no additional experience, would still be an entry level professional in the occupation. As noted in the previous section, the DOL Wage Guidance provides that for a Job Zone 4 occupation, a Level 1 wage applies to a graduate with 0 to 2 years of experience. Assuming that most students graduate college at 21 years of age, enter into an occupation based upon their college education, and work until age 66, the average career would span approximately 45 years. However, Congress mandated only four levels for prevailing wage determinations.. check 1point3acres for more.
The suggestion that a position cannot be deemed a “specialty occupation” if the assigned wage is a Level 1 wage is disingenuous. It assumes that specialty occupations must always require additional experience beyond the degree requirement and that the attainment of the degree is insufficient to instill the knowledge necessary to perform the duties of the occupation. In several cases, the USCIS Administrative Appeals Office (AAO) has set forth the proposition that when an employer seeks to qualify a position as a specialty occupation under 8 CFR §214.2(h)(4)(iii)(A)(4), based upon the complexity or specialized nature of the job duties within the occupation, a Level 1 wage may suggest that it is not uniquely complex. However, in some cases, the AAO has also included a helpful footnote. For example, Matter of P-D-S-, ID# 283927 (AAO July 31, 2017) at footnote 10 states:
The issue here is that the Petitioner's designation of this position as a Level I position undermines its claim that the position is particularly complex, specialized, or unique compared to other positions within the same occupation. Nevertheless, it is important to note that a Level I wage-designation does not preclude a proffered position from classification as a specialty occupation. In certain occupations (doctors or lawyers, for example), such a position would still require a minimum of a bachelor's degree in a specific specialty, or its equivalent, for entry. Similarly, however, a Level IV wage-designation would not reflect that an occupation qualifies as a specialty occupation if that higher-level position doesnot have an entry requirement of at least a bachelor's degree in a specific specialty or its equivalent. That is, a position's wage level designation may be a consideration but is not a substitute for a determination of whether a proffered position meets the requirements of section 214(i)(l) of the Act. 20
See Appendix C for a sampling of cases that contain this footnote, or a variation of this footnote.
Neither the statute nor the regulations require experience to demonstrate that a position is a specialty occupation. The issue is whether a degree in a specific specialty or the identified body of knowledge is required. Had Congress intended H-1Bs to be available only to individuals with more than “X” years of experience, or had it intended to limit H-1Bs to positions with higher wage levels, it would have specifically provided for that in the INA. The wage level is only a means to determine the proper prevailing wage. It has nothing to do with a determination of whether the occupation is a specialty occupation.
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 楼主| lvmsl 2017-9-13 05:20:18 | 显示全部楼层
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另外是一些其他建议:Arguments that AILA Members Can Apply to Either Type of RFE:
i. USCIS is Misapplying the Wage Level System. 也就是说wage level system只是对每个职业的工资水平进行划分,而不能用于确定是否是specialty occupation。比如一个医学院毕业生,他刚毕业,虽然是wage one,但是人家正儿八经医学院拿学位毕业的,USCIS你凭什么说人家的工作不是specialty occupation。

ii. Some Positions are Inherently Specialty Occupations Regardless of the Wage Level. INA指出最少六钟:architects, engineers, lawyers, physicians, surgeons, and academic teachers. 这些职位再怎么说都是specialty occupation,USCIS你没权利发RFE质疑人家。

iii. The Wage Level Reflects the Worker’s Stature within the Employer’s Hierarchy, Not Whether the Position Falls Within the Regulatory Definition of Specialty Occupation. 工资水平只是为了显示申请公司的工资情况,一个大学毕业生刚出社会没有经验,技术和能力,当然是entry level的wage啊。每个职业都有登记,USCIS你不能看到个入门级就说人家职位不是specialty occupation。

iv. It is Outside the Scope of USCIS’s Adjudicatory Function to Make Wage Determinations. 这条基本就说说USCIS你凭什么管DOL的事儿,工资高低是人家决定的,mind your own business那样。

v. Standard of Proof. 一般来说,你的案子如果能让审查的officer觉得有50%是真的,即便他有些疑问,他也要批准。如果RFE的时候多准备一些relevant, probative, and credible evidence that leads the adjudicator to believe that the claim is "probably true", or "more likely than not true".

vi. Miscellaneous Authorities. Additional legal authorities and sources to support the argument that these RFEs are improper. 进一步找文件证明这些RFE不合理。。。
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 楼主| lvmsl 2017-9-13 05:25:19 | 显示全部楼层
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剩下的就是很多模板:sample response to demonstrate that the degree is normally a minimum requirement for entry into a particular position; example of typical day or week in the proffered position; tasks percentage breakdown; sample response to demonstrate that the degree requirement is common to industry; sample response to demonstrate the employer normally requires a degree or equivalent for the position
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楼主文字版在哪里搜到的啊
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jacobzhangchao 2017-9-19 00:16:12 | 显示全部楼层
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也看到过中国律师类似的思路,感觉这个是比较靠谱的,比绞尽脑汁往证明职位合理更有法理说服力,但是有点风险,不过现在纽约律师协会听说目前统一口径就是利用法律法规驳斥移民局。
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amaggie121 发表于 2017-9-17 04:21
楼主文字版在哪里搜到的啊

同问,搜到了付费收听的音频,但是没有搜到楼主发的文字版
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lvmsl 发表于 2017-9-13 05:25
剩下的就是很多模板:sample response to demonstrate that the degree is normally a minimum requirement ...

这些模板也没有搜到
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