有没有必要买organic的食品？

zheng18552 发表于 2013-1-16 19:40
No no no.
1. Europeans and U.S.A are very different when the concern is food safety. Your claim w ...

1. 欧洲对食品安全更严格而已，比如美国FDA认为化学成分没有区别，实验做出来也没差，所以转基因安全，连特别标注“非转基因”都不允许。欧洲就保守点，认为实验还做得不够long term. 我比较倾向于美国FDA的观点而已，欧洲保守是他们的选择嘛。可否elaborate下你说的“only right when talking about European food”？

2. 你误解我了，我原话是回的麻倉枼的问题“阴谋论者的特征在哪里？”，迫害妄想症指的是那些认为WHO、FDA联合起来害他们、认为帝国主义靠转基因生物武器让我们亡国灭种的那些人。我觉得这种人被称为迫害妄想症并不过分。

我并没有说所有吃有机食品的人都是迫害妄想症，事实上在价钱差别不大的时候，我有时候也顺手买有机牛奶和鸡蛋，图个心里爽而已，难道我自己在说我自己是迫害妄想症？恕我不能接受您“you just describe all who support organic food as 迫害妄想症, in a very dishonorable way”的指控

zach 发表于 2013-1-16 19:48
1. 欧洲对食品安全更严格而已，比如美国FDA认为化学成分没有区别，实验做出来也没差，所以转基因安全，连 ...

1. You just justified my view yourself. FDA is far away from strict standards, the best example is Ractopamine, which is one kind of 瘦肉精。 European standards, on the other hand, is more strict. Now you are calming that your support FDA and view European standards as too conservative. Are you sure you really know the difference. If you'd rather say you support or at least do not dislike Ractopamine in your pork, I would have to say you have your own right to hold your view. Let us agree on the disagree and end the discussions.

What I mean by European food. European food: food passed European Standards.

What I am saying is European food have more strict food standards generally, while FDA's standards are way too loose. So it's of course safer generally to shop around for food in Euro.

2. I will cite yoru words and explain why they are generally attacking people who support organic food.
非organic的黑心公司加激素啊、八个翅膀的鸡啊、乳房有山那么大的奶牛啊、全是抗生素啊神马的。
(Most of people choose organic food because they don't want, for instance, Ractopamine in their pork. I am excluding a few people who buy organic food because the productions of organic food are more friendly to the earth )
或者转基因公司是帝国主义的生物武器、吃了就亡国灭种啊神马的。
(yes, this one does not attack directly)
反正就是觉得自己那半瓶子醋比WHO、FDA都要专业，全世界联合起来要害他，说白了就是迫害妄想症
(Most of people choose organic food of course do not have authority over FDA. You words just suggest that people without great authority are 迫害妄想症, and I doubt it very much FDA claims that  "organic是给图心理安慰的人吃的" )



Now since you are the one who love to use negative words and obviously do not know when is proper to make a good gesture. I will do it. I appreciate your good intention and feel sorry if I irriated you. But it is very important how people say things and what they say. One of Chinese student I know said, I quote, "Black are poorer than white people". He refused to apologize and started to talk about statistic data when my professor pointed out. He was kicked out of my classroom immediately.

zheng18552 发表于 2013-1-16 20:12
1. You just justified my view yourself. FDA is far away from strict standards, the best example is ...

1. 完全赞同。欧洲的严格标准带来的是更昂贵的食物，我更enjoy便宜食物，愿意相信FDA的操守take这个risk去买便宜食物。就这么简单。我不怕瘦肉精，我吃得肉都是非有机的，因为有机太贵。

2. (Most of people choose organic food because they don't want, for instance, Ractopamine in their pork. I am excluding a few people who buy organic food because the productions of organic food are more friendly to the earth )
你说的这些我完全同意。你仔细看看，我上面说的并没有包括你说的这些人好么？

( You words just suggest that people without great authority are 迫害妄想症)
你再回头看看我说的是啥，有上下文的好么？我说的是那些认为转基因是生物武器亡国灭种的人是迫害妄想症，你别给我扩大化然后扣大帽子拿种族歧视类比。

我们的矛盾其实在于你认为FDA批准瘦肉精是错的，我认为是对的，仅此而已。求同存异把，我没打算说服你。但你非说我的意思是“不相信FDA的人都是迫害妄想症”，那你确实误解我了，我那句话是跟着“吃了就亡国灭种啊神马的”一起说的，不要断章取义。