难题求解：到底是google还是facebook?

同关注，最近match了adwords。。。还在纠结要不要放弃fb。。。

bumbing 发表于 2016-10-2 11:03
同关注，最近match了adwords。。。还在纠结要不要放弃fb。。。

请问你是两个offer都accept了双向行进吗？敢问accept之后再毁约会不会太伤 以至于以后都休想跳回去了？

mclover 发表于 2016-10-1 18:25
首先恭喜lz拿到F和G的offer, 选哪个作为起点都不会糟糕到哪儿去。然后是我的观点:组很重要, 组很重要，组很 ...

说的很对 但是悖论是 在你没有选组之前，所有这三点，你都不会知道！！ 咋办~~ 求破破破破！！><

同关注。我也在选择g和f，我算是google产品的脑残粉所以情感上倾向于g…但现在在地里g被大家描述成了纯养老公司，学不到东西… 希望楼主最后把自己的选择和理由更新下呀

chopinzwz 发表于 2016-10-2 14:36
同关注。我也在选择g和f，我算是google产品的脑残粉所以情感上倾向于g…但现在在地里g被大家描述成了纯养老 ...

没觉得Google是养老公司，混不混是个人的选择。

同意楼上！

经过找了很多来自两家FT朋友的意见和反馈，LZ 最后选择了Google, 以下是两位分别来自F和G 的朋友的回复，仅供大家参考：

1. 这位是我在FB实习的隔壁桌同事，之前在Google工作的几年的美国大牛，现在Facebook：
“Wow, congratulations

 I think they're broadly pretty similar.

Google is a much bigger company, which has its pros and cons.



The big pros are
1. there's a broader base of knowledge; google has a bigger share of "world class experts" on any given topic than facebook (something of a pattern is that google invents stuff, which facebook will later clone)


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The big cons are


1. Bureaucracy; when I left google, I was on a team I didn't like in a department that felt stifling. Everybody agreed it was a bad situation, but there were too many hurdles to do an internal transfer; it was easier for me to find a team I liked by quitting and going to facebook than it was to do an internal transfer.


2. Apathy. A lot of google people sort of just only care about working on their area of interest, and twist it until that looks like it reaches some corporate goal.


A good example of this is the performance CPU profiling people. Right now, they're working on adapting the internal CPU tools to the cloud, because everyone cares about cloud.

But cloud customers *don't care* about CPU by and large; they care about latency. But google has a cloud CPU team (because that's what the people involved wanted to work on), but not a cloud latency team (which is what customers would actually want).



There are some cultural differences; facebook is younger on average, and cares more about doing stuff fast than doing it right.


Google has more of a culture of dissent; it's pretty common to make fun of the executives, or criticize product decisions internally.


At facebook, I've never heard anyone criticize Zuck or Sheryl, and it's very frowned upon to say another product has done something dumb.



I think if I were to rank it, I'd say that Google is probably better on average, but that team fit is more important than company


(I'm much, much, much happier here than I was at google)


(Unfortunately, new hires have very little control over which team they end up on)


I think that's my thoughts broadly.

I'm also happy to answer if you have anything specific you're curious about.

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这位是在Google工作了快四年的Senior Engineer, 是本科和研究生的校友，很感谢他的input

"Hi, I am sending this with my company computer, so pardon me that I reply in English.
First and foremost, congratulations on the offers!
They are both great companies, and I am sure you will have incredible time working for either of them.
I have not spent time at Facebook, so I cannot speak about what it's like to work at FB.
Our team have a couple engineers from FB, and they have good words about their prior experience.  Personally, I would of course encourage you to join Google.
For one, there are lots of opportunities here at Google, and I frankly think Google is the most technologically advanced and endeavoring company.  Also, I think as a new grad, if he's joining a big company (both FB and Google are big companies now), as opposed to joining a startup, it oftentimes means that he values the resource provided by big companies that would otherwise be very limited in small startups.
For me, the most valuable thing a big company can provide is the how it can make you a top-notched engineer/manager in several years' time, if you put in the effort. Google does a great job in organizing its knowledge for all Googlers to access.
Think about Google search for internal knowledge. They run very good career training programs (from tehnical programs to public speech programs) that help you to get to the next stage of your career.
Of course, at the end of the day, find where your passion is. Google and Facebook work on very different things. I like working with infrastructure, and Google has the best Cloud in terms of performance and pricing. I know cloud is gonna be BIG in 10 years, so I choose to stay at Google, because I want to be part of cloud. So ask yourself do what's gonna be big in 10 years? Do you have passion in that? If the two answers match, follow that."

谢谢楼主的分享。我最后也选G了。

恭喜楼主，希望楼主选择好了能分享一下心路历程