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本帖最后由 cathyliu 于 2010-5-30 07:34 编辑
-baidu 1point3acres
LSAT/School List/Application Timeline
LSAT考试/选校/申请时间表
http://www.lsac.org/
LSAT的官网。如同本科申请时的collegeboard一样,如果你只拿这个网站来搞LSAT就太委屈她了。这上面有全方面针对申请者的一系列指南,具体的大家可以自己去探索下(我2L引用的那些只是冰山一角)。
LSAT每年有四次,2月,6月,9/10月跟12月。推荐在大三搞定。最后时机是大四第一学期12月的考试,国内如果一毕业就要来法学院的筒子们那么晚才考试是非常不明智的事情,在美国的也不推荐。我自己是很大可能会搞一年的OPT,然而我的对策是选好学校再defer entry,如果奖学金的缘故必须毕业就去-那也就去吧。
如果为了big law job过来的,top 14的说法哪怕在美国人中间也非常流行。事实并非完全如此,但对于我们无依无靠的国际生而言,学校牌子对1st job placement的作用非常明显。同样重要的还有第一年暑假和第二年暑假实习的公司,尤其后者几乎就是为全职工作做准备的,所以要拼命去找。
排名最有名的肯定是US News了。然后我读的一本书里提到了The Consus Group跟LS100的排名,所以全部列在这边。(TCG我怎么也找不到2008以后的数据)
http://consusrankings.com/2008/01/01/the-consus-group-composite-law-school-rankings-2008/
http://www.lawschool100.com/-baidu 1point3acres
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings
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我假定大家都还是琢磨着big law的六位数起薪,那么就主要讨论Top 14的问题了。但是不在top 14的,不是不能进big law,不进big law不等于不能留美国做律师,也不等于以后不能慢慢把名声培养起来,超过当年进了big law的同学。路是人走的,尤其律师这条路,一开始走慢了一点并不是什么坏事。伤仲永的故事大家都是读过的吧。
Top 14 Class of 2012 student profile(按US NEWS排名为序,然后UCLA虽然在15我也给写进来了,因为好些排名都给这家top 14的位置)
http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm
http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/jd/apply/classprofile.html.--
http://www.law.stanford.edu/school/facts/#degrees_and_admissions (这个我找了半天,还是只有2011届的)
http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applicants/admissions/classprofile
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/file/Admission%20Profile%20Card%202009-2010.pdf (Best thing I can find...)
http://www.law.nyu.edu/admissions/jdadmissions/applicants/classprofile/index.htm
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/37.htm
. 1point 3acres http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/classstatistics.html
http://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestudents/Pages/classstatistics.aspx
http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospectives/class12.htm
http://www.law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissions/profile/
http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/FAQ/admission_and_preparation.cfm#CP_JUMP_3321 (Again,best thing I can find)
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admissions/QuickFacts.htm
http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/index.asp?page=1975
. Waral dи,
大概瞧了一眼,Top Three可以称得上international student friendly的是Harvard (6%),Top 5则肯定是Columbia了(10%)。。。但是哪家要国际学生多,必然申请的人也多,所以。。。还是看看LSAT来选校比较靠谱。. From 1point 3acres bbs
我自己还没有系统准备过LSAT的考试,但感觉语言逻辑强的人会有极大的优势。单论单词量而言并不痛苦,我做真题的感觉甚至比SAT都要简单(有人说我讲这句话会被人骂死)。。。。但是要求在35分钟之内搞定一个section的速度确实很辛苦。LSAT的分数range在120-180。Top 14要录取考到170才是比较靠谱的分数,而且多次考试很多学校都是取平均分的。因此最有效的策略是一次搞个高分。
再说一下本科学校的问题。我看见不少人说考法学院本科学校在哪里读的完全没有关系。这个太误导了,绝对不是的。读常青藤的人申请肯定比我这种读排名50+的文理学院的人申请要容易,北大清华的人申请比随便一个国内学校的也必然要容易。但是学校名字这种无法改变的事情决定了之后(想转学的除外),GPA+课程难度还是很重要的东西。BTW美国读本科的尤其应该考虑下跟本科学校一个州的法学院,比如我自己读的一个IL的小文理学院,就发现我们学校的人读法学院均值是在Depaul这个档次,弄到UIUC的也有不少,Top 14的话一年也有一两个(让我深感安慰)。但是与美国人不同的是,国际学生没有state tuition的说法,也没有任何一个州的residency,钱上无论你去哪个州都不能占便宜,只是同州的学校对你本科的了解度天然要高一点罢了。
除了Yale之外,其他任何一个学校,早申请都占便宜。Yale据传中国大陆背景的人到目前为止进去的也不过十个?所以我就干脆说所有的学校早申请都有优势。。。当然如果你要奖,申Early Decision就没有什么意思,因为你的FA/scholarship一般都要到三月才会出来。但纵然如此,在11月就交申请有很多好处。不要拖到你要入学那一年再说,哪怕你在等12月的分数,等那个分数出来了之后update transcript就行了。(这个可能对国内的同学不现实。。。嗯。。。无论如何尽量早申请。。。)
除了参考排名,选校另外一个有用的工具是Princeton Review。尤其是每家学校详尽的一些评论,特别适合申请之前的定位&录取了之后的选校。拿Columbia举例。
Admission Stats:
| Admissions Selectivity Rating: | 98 | | Average UGrad GPA: | 3.64 | | Average LSAT: | 170 | | LSAT Range (25 - 75%): | 168 - 173 | | Applicants Accepted: | 1,169 | | Accepted Applicants Who Attend: | 378 |
Application Process:
| Application Deadline: | 02/15 | | Rolling Admissions: | Yes | | LSDAS Service Used: | Yes | | Applicants accepted in terms other than fall: | No | | Transfer Applicants Accepted: | Yes | | Deferred Admission: | Yes |
Admission Requirements:
| LSAT Scores: | Required | | Essay/ personal statement: | Required | | Undergradute GPA: | Required | | Extracurricular Activities: | Required | | Letters of Recommendation: | Required | | Work Experience: | Optional | | Interview: | Optional | | State Residency: | Optional | | Other: | Optional |
Careers:
| Career Rating: | 94 | | Pass Rate for First-Time Bar Exam: | 90% | | Average Starting Salary: | $145,000.00 | | % of graduates who are employed within nine months of graduation: | 99% |
Graduates Employed by Area:
| Private practice: | 79% | | Business/Industry: | 3% | | Government: | 2% | | Judicial clerkships: | 9% | | Public interest: | 6% | | Academic: | 1% | .google и
Graduates Employed by Region:
| New England: | 3% | | Middle Atlantic: | 70% | | South West: | 3% | | Pacific Region: | 8% | | International: | 3% |
Academics & Programs
Columbia University Students Say...
There is a "focus on international law," "a moot court requirement for 1Ls," and "a nice blend of theory and practice" at Columbia Law School, "although the school tilts [more] towards the theory." "The theoretical focus of the faculty is a good thing," explains one student. "We'll have plenty of time to learn practical job skills, but this is the ...There is a "focus on international law," "a moot court requirement for 1Ls," and "a nice blend of theory and practice" at Columbia Law School, "although the school tilts [more] towards the theory." "The theoretical focus of the faculty is a good thing," explains one student. "We'll have plenty of time to learn practical job skills, but this is the only time many of us will have the leisure to study theoretical issues in the law." The recently revamped legal writing curriculum is "more than sufficient," and "No law school in America has access to more prestigious practitioners." "Leading lawyers teach practical courses, and clinics get access to all types of activities," applauds one 3L. "Couple that with a top-notch reputation, and you have the best law school in the world." The "eclectic" faculty at Columbia is "an incredible array of superstars," and otherwise "really talented, motivated, interested, and interesting people." There are "a lot of young, dynamic, and engaging professors," and most "seem to consider their students their primary concern." "Even those who are fiercely Socratic and would grill students in class are quite friendly outside of it." Professors are "respectful of differing political views." There is a "willingness to openly discuss" gender and race issues in class "in a way that is non-prejudicial but still acknowledges and values differences."
The "ineffective" and "very bureaucratic" administration at CLS is "positively frustrating." "They treat you like a walking dollar sign and nothing more," charges one annoyed student. "Signing up for classes is too hard." "Student Services has cultivated an amazing air of indifference and sometimes disdain for students." "The only way I got the Housing Office to tell me I had an apartment the day before moving was to sic a law school dean on them," claims a student.
Career prospects are dreamy. "A Columbia degree opens countless doors." "The 'big law' opportunities couldn't be better." "If you come here, you will get a job," agrees a confident 1L, "no matter how well or poorly you do." "Law firms around the country are banging down my door and begging me to work at their firm for six-figure salaries," says another student. "It's unbelievable how mediocre you can be at Columbia and yet have any law firm job in the country." There is "a stellar Public Interest Office" as well, and "small pockets of students" are "extraordinarily dedicated to public interest and other alternative legal careers." .1point3acres
The "overly modern" law school facilities are "highly functional," but "ugly, especially in comparison to the undergrad campus." On the outside, the building is "a postmodern mistake." Inside, the "elegant, sleek" classrooms are "equipped with the latest technology." The "soulless and depressing" library is "not very comfortable." "The research librarians are gods," though, and students "have access to resources most people don't even know exist."
说两点,第一那个平均年薪是校友自报的。混得差的人肯定懒得报,找不到工作的肯定也懒得报,所以是有水分的。第二同美国人不同,我们毕业之后如果想留在美国必须要用OPT,H1B等等,所以考Bar最好还是一次就过掉。
还有一个常识,PR这些网站上的话都不官方,官方的数据还是要看官网的。尤其申请要求之类的,一定要查官网。. 1point 3 acres
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然后,喜欢读admission blog的同学们。
Yale. 1point3acres
http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissions/default.aspx
Harvard
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/admissions/
Stanford
http://blogs.law.stanford.edu/admissions/
Columbia
http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/admissions/
Chicago (这个是faculty blog,略有不同)
http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/
Northwestern
http://blog.law.northwestern.edu/admissions_blog/ |
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