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在我正式通知老哥要么道歉,要么绝交之后,老哥第二天给我打电话,正式I apologize for offending you, I was being judgmental when I was referring to maturity, what I really wanted to express is "consistency and clearity of purpose“了。
这事情到此就告一段落,爽文也有了一个结局。我和我朋友聊天的时候,讲到,很多时候,我们没办法同时拥有他人的【爱意/肯定】和【尊重】,因为(比如至少像老哥这样的人)对于很多人而言,他尊重你的唯一方式就是你force him to respect him。对我而言,这个结局的圆满在于,我为自己advocate,不管老哥对我印象如何,求仁得仁,I got what I want and I do not care about anything else.
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对于高赞回复里那个说看了帖子觉得心理咨询师心里阴暗,所以对寻找心理咨询有顾虑的同学——我想特意回复一下,感谢你和我不同的意见!心理咨询师和医生/老师一样,都是有七情六欲的正常人,自然也有非常不同的性格、人格、从业和行事风格。在我们的从业过程中,我们的性格等等确实会影响我们的从业风格,但是并不代表我们会把情绪垃圾放到工作中,也不代表我们会”教坏客户“——对于这些咨询室外发生的乌七八糟的事儿,我们有我们自己的心理咨询师、督导、朋友、亲人等等完善的支持系统,不会让一团乌云无限期地留在心里,影响工作哒,这个你放心!
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参差多态乃世界本源,匿名的层主同学,请你一定不要因为看了我的文章感觉不舒服就放弃对和你有好的match的咨询师的寻求啊XD,我自己带刺儿,自己专精的领域也是帮助一些没办法claim/advocate for themselves的同学develop necessary advocacy skills乃至帮助他们develop healthy aggression,我自己专注的也是reclaiming aggression/give the anger to whoever deserves it instead of yourself这个细分,未必适合你的需求……我相信这个世界上总会有你说的那种,带着peace & love去无限理解关怀别人,normalize冲突的咨询师,祝你找到和你match的咨询师,也祝你生活幸福!
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大家好,我胡汉三又回来了~平时在地里开的帖子要么就是专业的心理健康科普,要么就是说说开心的吃喝玩乐的夏威夷WFH攻略,真的万万没想到自己会在职场达人这个版块发帖。
我在自己平时的临床心理咨询工作当中,经常会遇到一些亚裔或其他少数族裔的来访者和我提到,在职场上,也在自己的个人生活中,莫名其妙被人霸凌的故事。我今天在地里还看到这个哥们很委屈的发帖:这种情况算不算霸凌?那么我今天也来现身说法,跟大家分享一下我最近碰到的一个让我觉得自我感觉过于良好的、尝试霸凌我未遂的前辈的反霸凌攻略,100%亲身经历,盗文打屁屁~
虽然说是职场达人(因为这事情发生在我的工作圈子里)与反霸凌攻略吧,这个方法不一定适合所有人,大家就当吃个瓜看个乐,不要太当真。我也希望可以通过写这个文章,可以鼓励更多的同胞以适合自己的方式站起来,保护自己的自尊心和心理健康,遇到想尝试霸凌你的人,不要被他们的气势唬住。
再三声明:我的想法不一定适合所有人,我的方法不一定适用于所有场合,这不是专业的心理健康或者是职业发展建议,仅仅是我的一个亲身职场经历分享,我的目的是想给大家一些遇到霸凌不要怕事儿的正能量,请大家自行吃瓜~
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前情提要:. Χ
(1)卤煮我是一名全职执业临床心理咨询师,坐标NY。文中除了我之外,所有提到的人都是土生土长的美国白人,文化背景非常不同。
(2)卤煮我有自己的privite business,是自己的老板,年收入大概税前240K,平日非常忙碌。老哥是一个雇主,雇了一群NG和su-ck-er心理咨询师,每个小时给他们40块,没有保险,没有任何其他福利,按照时薪40刀来算,假设你给老哥工作,一周工作40个小时,一年到头都不放假,没有任何保险福利假期的情况下,一年可以赚77K。
(3)卤煮我长得年轻(27岁当自己的创业公司CEO是什么体验?),加上在自己的行业里,不谦虚地说一句,自己是同龄/同工龄的同水平咨询师当中的佼佼者。我知道很多比我老比我大的美国人,也在苦逼的给别人打工,不敢start their own business,77K也算是一个中位数吧。
(4)卤煮我从很小的时候,就开始由自己爹妈带着观察人情世故,爹妈家里有几套房子也要找租户、和中介打交道,加上自己在欧洲和美国都有多年的租房经历,最近也刚刚close了买的新房子,并非对房地产市场一无所知。
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太长不看的经验:
(1)遇到和自己气场不和的人,觉得uncomfortable,要相信自己的直觉;自我反思固然很重要,但是一味的自我反思,什么错误都往自己的身上揽,这是不对的!
(2)真正的大佬/有能力/有经验的成功人士,不会像我小作文的这个老哥一样尝试PUA、霸凌你。真正的大佬都是让你如沐春风,即便对你有什么意见也不会用这种的方式的表达。等一下我想表达的这种人,是真-色厉内荏,强悍的外表经常代表着他们空虚可悲的灵魂。千万不要被他们骗了!
(3)遇到这种事情,如果过于震惊,可以先不回复,自己找一些比较信任的同学朋友前辈聊一聊再去处理,尽量避免在过于激动的情况下做出任何决策,不管是点头哈腰的认错,还是撕。-baidu 1point3acres
(4)你要自己想好,自己的底线是什么,自己对这个人到底有多高的需求,你对和这个人交往有什么目的(私人关系?工作关系?普通的人脉?)不要单纯的为了撒气/面子等等冲动的情绪需求,忽视你的最终目的。卤煮我最后一步骂人的邮件非常解气,那也是因为我在详细的评估之后,决定这个人我既不用保持人脉,也不用继续交往,甚至想好了这么做的一切后果之后,衡量利弊之后,才放自己做的决定。
(5)我们可能是NG,可能是英语说得不利索的中国人,可能是什么Google L7还长着一张亚裔娃娃脸……但是不管是什么原因,要记住要为自己骄傲,要在对自己的价值有一个理性的评估的基础上,为自己advocate!!切记不可自轻自贱!
(6)Last but not the least:写这篇文章是为大家提供一个反霸凌/PUA的正能量DP,不是教大家演甄嬛传,也不是跟大家吐槽世道黑暗。知世故而不世故,知人情而懂人情,对前辈和比自己高位的人不卑不亢,对比自己级别低的新人心存善意,虽识天地大,犹怜草木青,是我作为一个人的最高理想,也希望大家可以互相鼓励,成为这样的好人。
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卤煮我是一名坐标NYC的执业心理咨询师,有自己的创业公司,平日十分忙碌。我有一次去一个conference认识了一个白人老哥,四十多岁吧,也是一个心理咨询。老哥在曼哈顿东村租了一个办公室suite,开了一个类似于诊所的东西,雇了一群咨询师,一个人一个小时才给40刀(我自己的private practice时薪算下来至少200刀…)-baidu 1point3acres
前段时间COVID闹的厉害,大部分来访者都通过线上的方式进行心理咨询。我也乐得省钱,就一直在家里办公。但是这段时间疫情控制得好多了,前段时间有一些来访者想从virtual线上咨询恢复in-person咨询,我就在NYC到处寻找办公室,想一个星期租个一两天。
这个老哥就私戳我,说,我有一个办公室,但是this opportunity is not for EVERYONE, this is a SPECIAL OFFER for you, COME to see the office!
我心里想,看房子这很正常啊,既然要租办公室,我当然要货比三家的去看啊!我就欢天喜地的约了个时间,去看了~
这个时候,我的期待值是这样的:一个曼哈顿的办公室,和一些同事一起分享一个洗手间和厨房的话,一个星期租一天,一个月大概300-500刀不等(我做了大量的市场调研,寻找了不少quote,平均的最高的上东区quote我500,最低的布鲁克林downtown quote我350)。老哥给开的价位是600刀,我当时心里想,都是熟人,我去看看这个办公室到底有多么好?
我的期望值是这样的:(网图)窗明几净的房间,温馨的画,阳光透过窗帘潺潺地流淌进来~
然后我就去看了一下他的办公室…就…鬼片片场?曼哈顿下城的一个地下室?没有窗子也就算了,壁炉里还有蜘蛛网,靠一盏小灯幽幽地照着,沙发是黏糊糊的?
(过于震惊,我当时并没有照照片,在谷歌上搜了一堆关键字,无论是dirty office, basement office, messy office, nasty office,发现所有的office基本都带个窗子,只好拿下图(网图)对付一下了,大家感受一下画风就好了,光线和这个图是一样的,大家把窗子去掉,换成一个小吊灯,把椅子换成沙发,就ok了~. 1point 3 acres
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当时我心里想……这……骗鬼?这个环境要价600?
老哥完全没注意到我的尴尬,开始push。老哥说,我有几个咨询师现在还没确定什么时候回来,但是如果你今天立马跟我签约的话,就是yearly commitment,就是一个sublease(他自己也是租的)一签一年,但是必须立即马上签约,还说,we don't open the office to everyone, this is because you were at the conference with me, this is specially for you...巴拉巴拉的,然后双目炯炯的看着我,说,你想好没有?现在签不?
我觉得好尴尬,就跟老哥说,我再考虑考虑,一周之内给你答复,然后我跑路了……
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知识点1:无论是买房子,还是找工作,还是租房子,当对方跟你没那么近乎但是跟你强行套近乎(this is special for you)+push你立即马上做一个决定(买房子,下offer,接offer)等,多半有鬼。
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我回去之后,过了一周,我问了一圈我来访者,想做线下咨询的也没有那么多,再加上老哥想出租的办公室实在是太脏乱差了,我就婉拒了,如下:
给不方便看图的同学发个文字版:
Morning 老哥! Hope all is well. I’m writing to let you know that at the moment, I decided to just stay virtual, and if in the future things change, hope our paths/office space could cross again!
After a whole week of inquiry, my “used to be very excited to come back” clients hesitated a lot to full-time commitment, and only 4 out of (我的一大堆客户)showed interest of coming back in-person in a “somewhat hybrid model”. It wouldn’t sound financially reasonable to rent a full-day for now, after all…and I hope when it is, I get to come to back your community!
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All the best,
& Warmly,
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我当时的想法是,这是一个没有说完全的实话,但是也绝对没有说谎的一个很诚恳的回复。聪明人懂的都懂,要价过高+环境太差这些,我和他萍水相逢,也没啥必要教他怎么做生意/定价。至于他那个push我的感受让我觉得不舒服,本能的不想和这个人一起工作。但是既然都是同行,直接去说人家office多差劲何必呢,以后抬头不见低头见,不如找个理由,说来访者本来很有兴趣,但是当我开始认真地租一个办公室,他们其实都不想回来面对面做咨询(which is also true),给对方都有一个台阶下就算了~
然后老哥回了一个take care,我以为这事儿就完了~
然后我昨天下午开开心心的去一个朋友家玩耍了,因为过于High,完全没看手机……
然后……高潮来了. .и
在朋友家我手机是静音的,玩的太开心了我也没看手机,这个老哥给我打了一大堆电话,然后留了一个语音信箱说call me back……
我心里想还出了啥事儿了??从朋友家到家了就给老哥回了一个电话。
(对不起,我还是原汁原味的打英文吧)
老哥:'I have a very special opportunity, but I need you to be very careful and commit to this, and if we are moving forward, I need you to show more maturity that you've shown me"
我:I: ????🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷?
老哥:Look, someone in my office is leaving, and having a lot of clients waiting to be handed over, and I wanted to ask you - again, this is not FOR EVERYONE, this is only for YOU - A special opportunity - if you want to take over his place, and see these clients, and you can grow your practice faster,
BUT
You have to show more maturity I've seen recently, you can't just act like, email me to see my office, and then casually tell me you don't want it anymore, because your clients don't want to come back in person, that to me is not maturity.
我: ????🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷
老哥继续巴拉巴拉: Now, I believe you are a good clinician from what I saw, we can help you grow your practice, but you really need to be more mature and commit immediately
我(过分震惊): ....Thank you, but I do have a full-time private pay practice
他: Oh ok, I hope to see you again
然后老哥呱唧一下挂了电话
中文翻译:
老哥:女孩你听着,我有一个特殊的机会要赋予你,但是女孩你要小心了,要马上给我承诺,如果我们决定向前走,你必须展现出比你现在展现给我的更多的成熟
我:(一脸懵逼)
. 1point3acres老哥:有一位我的雇员要从我的办公室离职了,他留下了很多客户,我于是来问你——再次,这不是为每一个人的, 这只是为你——一个特殊的机遇——如果你可以。
但是,你必须展现出更多的成熟,从我最近对你的观察而言。你不可以就这样,给我发一封邮件要看我的办公室,然后随意的告诉我,你不再动心了,因为你的来访者不想面对面工作。对我而言,这并不是成熟。
我:(继续一脸懵逼) ..
老哥继续巴拉巴拉:现在,我认为你是一名很优秀的咨询师,我可以帮助你成长,但是你必须展现出更多的成熟度,而且马上答应和我一起工作
我:……谢谢你老哥,但是我是我自己的创业公司CEO耶. ----
他:哦,好的,期待再次和你见面。
(呱唧挂了电话)
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我: ????🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷
我当时没有立即马上反应过来,第一次被这人糊了一脸,各位地里的同胞看的云里雾里的话,我给你们打个比方
比如你们是FLAG的L7,大senior,年轻有为
这个时候你在学术会议上认识了一个在闹市区开了一个半死不活小公司的中年油腻小老板,你想租一个办公室,他说有办公室,你去看了一眼,发现脏乱差的受不了,所以就找个理由婉拒了,
结果隔天油腻小老板给你打了个电话,劈头盖脸给你骂了一顿说你不想立即马上租他的老破小地下室办公室,不成熟,然后offer你年薪4万去做他的实习生,不给福利也不休假. From 1point 3acres bbs
伤害性不大,侮辱性极强
我当时真的是气炸了,但是没有马上回这个人,我先坐下来思考了一下,自己生气的地方:
(1) 这个老哥我认识给他打工的一些雇员(老哥没想到吧hhhh我做市场调研的,我刚认识他的时候顺水推舟就调查了他一波, just for fun),他的雇员一个小时赚40刀,我自己给自己当老板一个小时赚200刀,真的是………就算不拿maturity这件事PUA我吧,你真的以为自己有竞争力么LOL??
(2)???谁看了你的办公室就必须要commit啊,你办公室是蛇怪吗 看了就要一眼万年啊,看了就一定要订么,都是社会人,谁不清楚看办公室这东西就是一个随缘的眼缘啊,租办公室看房子这种事情,难道不都是看100家,挑你最喜欢的给offer,其他的decline么?不租还骂人的啊,卖切糕也不带这么强买强卖的啊??(我想起了当年19岁,在大学校园门口被拿着大刀的店主逼迫买了80块钱的切糕的故事)
(3)拿"you have to show more maturity"来PUA我,一旦不马上租你的鬼片现场办公室就是不mature?
(4)而且,他这么PUA我不是冷嘲热讽我,而是想让我给他去打工????如果想一起合作/招工/招人的话,难道不是要好好说话吗……觉得我不mature的话你为啥要给我电话轰炸啊,你找个Mature的人去呗?. check 1point3acres for more.
.--我当时跟我最要好的几个朋友说了一下这个局面,然后跟我LG也聊了聊,我LG问我想不想打电话回去骂他,我觉得算了,但是这口气不能白白被欺负。
我坐下来,脑子里飞快的转了几个想法:. 1point3acres.com
(1)这个人第一肯定在工作上不是一个良好的合作对象,所以我不打算以后和他有任何工作上的交集。
(2)私人上的交集还是可以试一试的,但是点到为止,如果这人被证明没啥能耐,就及时止损。
(3)不能白白被霸凌,不能让他觉得自己想干啥就干啥,自我感觉良好。
(4)要为我未来的学弟学妹考虑,他如果看我一个亚裔女生好欺负,不知道我自己是自己的创业公司老板因为我长了一张娃娃脸(??)也就算了,但是我不能就这么忍着,不能给他一种亚裔女孩都好欺负,PUA不成被骂一顿还要点头哈腰的错觉!!. 1point3acres
然后——这个老哥在我反应过来之前,给我发了一封邮件:
I hope I did not offend you tonight (我的名字). I wanted to challenge and guide you a bit, but maybe I was too rushed in what I said. Thank you and I do hope to see you again soon.
我内心的洪荒之力:(谁用你教?我学会说英语之前就跟着爹娘处理家里各种铺子收租出租和中介租客打交道的事情了……不行,不要憋出内伤)
思来想去,回了一封邮件:
Hello (老哥),
Thank you for your email. I did feel offended and was too shocked to immediately respond. As I have regarded you with a lot of warmth in the past, I do feel responsible to clearly communicate myself, at least for the sake of our friendship.
It seems clear that we hold very clear differences about what maturity means. To me, although I deeply appreciate your warm regard of inviting me into your office community, like renting any property, initial contacting and seeing the space does not guarantee an immediate booking.
To me, seeing multiple places, marking down multiple locations, inquiring potentially interested clients about their preferences of each location and/or options, is called business planning, as well as maturity. To me, not committing to a space only because of emotional closeness, but also waiting to consider clients' true needs, is called business smart, also maturity. To me, for whatever reason, if I was interested in hiring someone, I pass on someone that I think is not mature enough, that's called maturity. Last but not the least, if I am interested in hiring someone, I will carefully try to leave a courteous impression on them, for that, I call maturity.
And it is okay that we have very different views about what maturity is, and I do believe there are people in the world who want immediate booking, who want immediate year-round office commitment even without consulting clients, and who do regard curt conversations as maturity, and it's totally fine that you are one of them.. Waral dи,
That said, if you still want to be a friend to me, or relate to me in some ways, you are never to say things like this to me again. You are never to offer me unwanted guidance, and you will respect our differences, you will not push me to commitments using language of "if you do not commit, you are not mature", and most of all, you will respect me. Your definition of maturity is different from mine, and I am totally happy with our difference, but, respecting me is the ONLY way you will ever have my respect again.
I am very good at my job and I have a very successful virtual full-time practice, and am not in-need of some mundane social networking. I do not need you to agree with me about what maturity means to me, either. Rather, I am writing this email because I still hope to relate to you, to trust you, to have good conversations and connections again, and I am writing this email because we spent good time together, and I see no necessity to try to communicate to a rude potential employer, but I do see necessity for me to try to connect to a friend I have held a lot of warmth towards.
And if you are the friend that I think is worthwhile to connect to, I will know, and if that's the case, I definitely would love to see you again.. 1point 3 acres
Sincerely,
(我的名字)
. .и老哥估计也万万没想到一个小姑娘会这么回邮件,半天(估计是哆哆嗦嗦的)回了一封全都是typo的邮件:
Thank you (我的名字). I am very sorry if I offended you in any way. My intention was to help you be one a better therapist. As I wound hope you wound help me. I see consistency and clarity if purpose as essential behaviors in every therapist I refer to..1point3acres
我:?好的吧,这是朋友也做不成了,到现在还嘴硬,还在那跟我说你是前辈要帮我~还拐弯抹角PUA说我不租他办公室就是不consistent还不clear of purpose……不见棺材不掉泪么- -
其实我后来反思了一下,我如果建议我的朋友的话,我觉得到这里就应该可以了,第一是我已经解释清楚了自己的目的,这个人明显还是学不会尊重;第二是,跟他再多说下去,也没什么用处,徒增烦恼罢了~
但是我想了想, 既然是跟这个人决定撕到底了,那就不如自己爽一下hhhhh,彻底挑明他这个拐弯抹角还要教我做人占便宜的样子hhh,他一定要给我unwanted opionions而且一口一个我不成熟,要教我做人,那我只好以其治人之道,还治其人之身了hhhh. Waral dи,
回复:
Thank you (老哥). You mentioned that you would hope that I would help you (to be a better therapist/person, in your narrative). If I may, here's my help. . Χ
A better person will strive to hear what the other person (a client, a potential employee, a friend, etc.) is trying to communicate. I am trying to communicate that we are different, and that does not stop us from relating, however, you need to RESPECT me, which reflects on your commitment of reflecting on our differences, acknowledging my needs, and improving your attitude and the way of speech to me in the future. What your intentions are, and how you define consistency and clarity of purpose, though touching in a sentimental value, is irrelevant here.
Let me make my purpose (of writing this) very clear: I want to keep being a good friend to you. And if you want the same thing, I need your formal apology for offending me ("I am sorry" is too blurred than "I apologize"), as well as your promise of commitment to everything I asked above. Also let me be consistent: I will always respect our differences, regardless of what you do, but respecting me is your only way that I will be able to respect you, on a personal level.
I remembered when we were at (某个学术会议), you mentioned to the group that you wanted to strive to be a helpful and pleasant person to be around. I was not expecting a helpful and pleasant person to behave as such. If we are using the "better" language, let me point out that you can do/be better.
我和我的小姐妹笑到蛋疼hhhhh,老哥终于安静如鸡了.1point3acres
这就是事情的全经过。当然,我知道自己的情绪和性格也是那种比较firey的,有点像从小到大被优待的孩子,虽然最开始肯定是谦和待人,但是一旦你恶心我,我一定让你吃不了兜着走。我自己反思了一下,觉得最后那封以其治人之道还治其人之身的邮件,爽则爽,没啥现实上的意义(这人要是有悟性的话还会拿着一大堆typo还尝试教我做人?),实操上没啥必要。
. 1point3acres.com 但是心理上是真的爽啊啊啊啊啊啊啊,我不后悔
后来我跟我妈妈,一个老油条,打电话的时候,聊到了这个人,我知道我妈妈肯定不喜欢我针锋相对,所以我隐去了最后那两件邮件2333. check 1point3acres for more.
我妈妈作为长辈说的几点我觉得也很有意义:
(1)从商也好,工作也好,德行是非常重要的。这个人看起来已经失去了他的德行,所以必然一大把年纪守着一个破破烂烂的曼哈顿下城小办公室,也不足为奇。很多看人的事情可以管中窥豹。
(2)很多人刚见面的时候感觉不错,觉得对方是一个友好的人,不要轻易相信他们,等到你们的利益有牵扯的时候才看人品。
(3)这个人知不知道自己的办公室在市场竞争中不值那么多钱?知不知道自己的破办公室没啥竞争力?他多半是知道一些的。他知不知道大家租房子的行情都是看100个拒绝90个?估计活了大半辈子也是知道的,所以他那个PUA,推着我租房子,不租不mature的样子,不是蠢,多半是坏。. 1point 3 acres
(4)这个人知不知道我是自己的创业公司CEO,别说给他打一个小时40刀的工了,雇他我都懒得雇?多半不知道的,因为我确实年轻+亚裔+人前低调。但是我的公司网站就在我的邮件签名里,他只要稍作调查就会发现我根本不是一个招工当employee的good candidate,这个样子不是坏,倒多半是蠢。. .и
(5)这个人又蠢又坏,宝宝你不要学他,做生意要有德行,要有尊敬,也有谦卑的心情,做生意也是经营自己德行和口碑的过程,这个人自砸牌匾,真的没必要去惹腥,赶紧跑。
我母上赛高啊!!!.1point3acres
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