关于欧洲的data science学位于移民欧洲的作用

非常感谢，对日后选择很有帮助

小亩_e934066 发表于 2022-9-27 14:53
楼主你能不能写一个关于scm欧洲和美国的相关文章，supply chain management。地里说非码农读话，欧洲比美国 ...

I am not familiar with this industry, and thus the following are mainly just questions:

Q: pre-experience vs post-experience in business school:
what if MSc in Supply Chain Management vs MBA with a concentration in SCM?
e.g.
https://www.rsm.nl/education/mas ... y-chain-management/
https://www.rsm.nl/education/mba ... ll-time-mba/#c32675

Q: a more management vs a more technical version of that:
what if MSc in Supply Chain Management vs MSc in Operational Research and Logistic?
e.g.
https://www.rsm.nl/education/mas ... y-chain-management/
https://www.eur.nl/en/master/ana ... -research-logistics
https://www.tue.nl/en/education/ ... ment-and-logistics/


My first feeling is that either a MBA with good network in supply chain and logistics (if you have strong working experience in the industry elsewhere before to leverage), or a more technical STEM version of that (so that can leverage of technical skillset) will be better than a pre-experience business master. (of course, this is condition on ethat the industry is willing to take international applicants, and I am not feeling good about this...)

cheesechan1 发表于 2022-9-27 16:59
Some Qs for clarification:
1. did you have your PhD in EU / Europe? (DS is not as shortage as CS, ...

> 1. did you have your PhD in EU / Europe? (DS is not as shortage as CS, some companies maybe not considering candidates outside)
Yeah
> 2. what is your research direction for your CS master? (only a few research direction of CS is related to data)
Actually, it is also related, which is Artificial Intelligence, but it still does not help me get a DS interview. I am about to give up finding DS jobs.

> Another possibility: Econ downturn, those only in methodology advancement and not directly connection to revenue generation / a must in operation are the first position to be frozen from hiring
This makes sense to me.

jedley 发表于 2022-9-27 20:30
> 1. did you have your PhD in EU / Europe? (DS is not as shortage as CS, some companies maybe not  ...

BMW， BOSCH 都有很多ML的openings，不介意去车厂的话。

huangy17 发表于 2022-9-27 20:38
BMW， BOSCH 都有很多ML的openings，不介意去车厂的话。

谢谢提供信息，我也去看看。现在也开始申请SDE了，毕竟本科也是CS的，SDE也算是对口

事实上这不光是欧洲的问题，美国和中国乃至世界任何地方，DS的需求量都是远远小于CS的。只不过欧洲IT相关的就业机会相较中美本来就少，所以这个问题更突出。因为如果CS的就业机会减少了，那DS的机会一定等比例甚至指数型下降。

欧洲DS项目对我们来说，其存在意义就是给商科或者传统工科出身的学生一个转科技行业的机会。因为和DS比，这些行业的工作机会更少，工资更低！

huangy17 发表于 2022-9-27 19:38
BMW， BOSCH 都有很多ML的openings，不介意去车厂的话。

+Cariad, +IAV

donnice 发表于 2022-9-27 23:28
事实上这不光是欧洲的问题，美国和中国乃至世界任何地方，DS的需求量都是远远小于CS的。只不过欧洲IT相关的 ...

稍稍research了一下, 歐美相比, 那個CS的就业机会减少了, DS的机会是比等比例稍高的比例下降, 但沒到指數級別.

Source: indeed.
Keyboard: Software Engineer, Data Scientist

USA: 188013, 2009, ratio = 9.40
UK: 23028, 1673, ratio = 13.76
DE: 27803, 2094, raiot = 13.28

donnice 发表于 2022-9-27 23:28
事实上这不光是欧洲的问题，美国和中国乃至世界任何地方，DS的需求量都是远远小于CS的。只不过欧洲IT相关的 ...

我很好奇这样那这样看问题的是觉得大数据架构(DE), ML/DL，AI这些人去哪呢？或者说这些人是什么专业的呢？还是觉得硬核技术的一同乱炖其实都归CS，或者ML/DL, AI只能读phd？

continuousea 发表于 2022-9-28 17:34
我很好奇这样那这样看问题的是觉得大数据架构(DE), ML/DL，AI这些人去哪呢？或者说这些人是什么专业的呢 ...

我本人就算是做大数据架构的，我的背景是纯CS，之前是做云计算里的Compute。虽然在学校里我算是machine learning track，但只是知道个皮毛，主要还是要会分布式系统设计，并且熟练运用各种大数据工具，如各种数据库，batch/streaming，Spark等数据处理工具。真正搞模型搞算法的确实是DS，但需求远不如SDE这么大。平均大约5个SDE配1个DS足以