怎样对付禁止买房的恶法

bearjoe 发表于 2023-04-20 06:30:32
查看了昨天的法案讨论和报道，还有法案本身的analysis，sec7这一条主要是针对中国来的炒房团，中国居民限制购买，H1b，学生签证啥的不在此列.

这次有很多大外宣的恶意炒作，比如把中国居民混

哪里说了h1b和学生不在此列？哪里说了因为中国人炒房才出的这个sec7？丢几个链接？

I0l 发表于 2023-4-21 00:33
哪里说了h1b和学生不在此列？哪里说了因为中国人炒房才出的这个sec7？丢几个链接？

我是勤劳的搬运工，从华人看到的

限制中国人在佛州购房议案HB 1355更新
https://www.tampabay.com/news/fl ... nvestment-desantis/



Key Highlights：



The bill sponsors on Wednesday said the public commenters were victims of “misinformation,” since the bill doesn’t apply to anyone who lives in Florida. （不清楚这里的"lives in Florida"是怎样定义的。议案发起人的意思是不是我们歧视你们，是你们自己理解错了。议案里的原话是“Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and who is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.” 说实话我还真的不理解什么样的人算是“domiciled in the People’s Republic of China”。Bill的本意不得而知，怎样理解大家的确可以自由发挥。）



Rep. Katherine Waldron, D-Wellington, the other bill sponsor, agreed, although she said the bill will likely be amended to address the issue with Chinese students. （中国家长有可能被允许给在佛州上学的孩子购房，不知是不是一张空头支票。如果尚在中国的家长可以给他们在佛州读书的孩子购房，那H1B签证持有者也大概率可以。）



“If this bill is not affecting them, we (have) got a lot of work to inform them on that,” McClure said. “It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.” （还是那个意思，不是我们歧视你们，是你们自己理解错了。）



Thanks to all who participated in the hearing and those who did not but nonetheless voiced out their concerns.





TALLAHASSEE — A priority bill of Gov. Ron DeSantis was called discriminatory by dozens of Chinese Americans on Wednesday, with some drawing comparisons to a Nazi-era law requiring Jews to register their property with the state.

HB 1355 and its companion SB 264 would restrict Chinese ownership of land and property, a response to reports of a Chinese company buying farmland next to a North Dakota Air Force base last year.

Lawmakers stressed the legislation is not meant to affect anyone living in Florida. The bills would prohibit anyone living in China from acquiring land or buildings in Florida if they’re not a U.S. citizen or permanent resident.

Foreigners from any country would be prohibited from buying property within 20 miles of a military installation or critical infrastructure, such as a seaport or wastewater treatment plant. Foreigners would not be allowed to buy agricultural land anywhere in the state.

Current owners would have to register their ownership with the state’s Department of Economic Opportunity.

The legislation had sailed through the House and Senate with unanimous bipartisan support. The Senate passed it off the floor unanimously last week. One of the sponsors of HB 1355 is a Democrat and numerous Democratic lawmakers have signed on as co-sponsors.

That bipartisan support ended Wednesday after more than 100 Chinese Americans, permanent residents, students, professors and others packed a House committee room and told lawmakers the bill was discriminatory. Several recounted stories of racial discrimination.

“I’m trying to protect my family from unintended consequences that come with this bill,” Baoliang Pan of Orlando told lawmakers. “Many times during COVID, my wife and family were verbally assaulted by people shouting racial slurs like ‘Chinese virus. Go back to China.’”

Several focused on the requirement to register their ownership with the state, comparing it to the 1938 law imposed by Nazi Germany requiring Jews to register their property with the government.

“Are we really in 2023? Or are we in 1935?” said Daniel Ettedgui, a French immigrant who runs a business that helps foreigners buy property in the United States.

Other speakers warned that the legislation would have other effects. Parents of Chinese students often buy a condo or home for their child studying in the U.S., which would be prohibited if the parents are living in China.

Lobbyist Slater Bayliss told lawmakers it would prohibit EB-5 investments, a federal program that allows foreigners to apply for green cards if they invest in commercial ventures in the U.S.

In Suwannee County, for example, a high-tech sawmill touted by Gov. Rick Scott in 2011 was partly financed by Chinese EB-5 investors.

“By a broad reading of this bill, those investments would no longer be allowed in Florida,” Bayliss told lawmakers.

The bill sponsors on Wednesday said the public commenters were victims of “misinformation,” since the bill doesn’t apply to anyone who lives in Florida.

“The only people who this bill discriminates against is the Communist Party of China,” Rep. David Borrero, R-Sweetwater, told lawmakers. “The only people who have worried about not being able to buy land here? Those who are not living here.”

Rep. Katherine Waldron, D-Wellington, the other bill sponsor, agreed, although she said the bill will likely be amended to address the issue with Chinese students.

“I think everybody in that room is probably not included in this bill,” Waldron said after the committee. “We’re not trying to cause anybody harm who lives here.”

Instead, the intent is to make the state safer, she said, citing money laundering by foreigners buying expensive properties in Florida and criminal charges filed against two men this week accused of running an unauthorized Chinese police outpost in New York City.

Sunny Duann, president of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce of Tampa Bay, told the Times/Herald that Chinese Americans in Florida started organizing against the bills after seeing them pass the Senate last week.

“That singles out Chinese people, and that’s just not fair,” she said.

DeSantis said in January that he wanted lawmakers to prevent Chinese companies and nationals from buying Florida real estate. His office has made other efforts to stamp out Chinese influence, including banning local governments from using Chinese-made drones.

The extraordinary response on Wednesday prompted the committee chairperson, Rep. Lawrence McClure, R-Dover, to say that lawmakers need to communicate better with the public.

“If this bill is not affecting them, we (have) got a lot of work to inform them on that,” McClure said. “It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.”

What is the country of domicile for H-1B?
The country where you are allowed to live permanently in your country of residence. A true country of residence is also one in which you have resided for the majority of the last 12 months. Other countries you may have visited for business, pleasure, or a short-term basis cannot be called "country of residence."

关键是H1b domiciled country的认定， 立法者是律师，认为法律概念很清楚，而大众对法律概念是一头雾水，需要专门的amendme解释下

以下从大妈网搬来的

限制中国人在佛州购房议案HB 1355更新
https://www.tampabay.com/news/fl ... nvestment-desantis/



Key Highlights：



The bill sponsors on Wednesday said the public commenters were victims of “misinformation,” since the bill doesn’t apply to anyone who lives in Florida. （不清楚这里的"lives in Florida"是怎样定义的。议案发起人的意思是不是我们歧视你们，是你们自己理解错了。议案里的原话是“Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and who is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.” 说实话我还真的不理解什么样的人算是“domiciled in the People’s Republic of China”。Bill的本意不得而知，怎样理解大家的确可以自由发挥。）



Rep. Katherine Waldron, D-Wellington, the other bill sponsor, agreed, although she said the bill will likely be amended to address the issue with Chinese students. （中国家长有可能被允许给在佛州上学的孩子购房，不知是不是一张空头支票。如果尚在中国的家长可以给他们在佛州读书的孩子购房，那H1B签证持有者也大概率可以。）



“If this bill is not affecting them, we (have) got a lot of work to inform them on that,” McClure said. “It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.” （还是那个意思，不是我们歧视你们，是你们自己理解错了。）



Thanks to all who participated in the hearing and those who did not but nonetheless voiced out their concerns.





TALLAHASSEE — A priority bill of Gov. Ron DeSantis was called discriminatory by dozens of Chinese Americans on Wednesday, with some drawing comparisons to a Nazi-era law requiring Jews to register their property with the state.

HB 1355 and its companion SB 264 would restrict Chinese ownership of land and property, a response to reports of a Chinese company buying farmland next to a North Dakota Air Force base last year.

Lawmakers stressed the legislation is not meant to affect anyone living in Florida. The bills would prohibit anyone living in China from acquiring land or buildings in Florida if they’re not a U.S. citizen or permanent resident.

Foreigners from any country would be prohibited from buying property within 20 miles of a military installation or critical infrastructure, such as a seaport or wastewater treatment plant. Foreigners would not be allowed to buy agricultural land anywhere in the state.

Current owners would have to register their ownership with the state’s Department of Economic Opportunity.

The legislation had sailed through the House and Senate with unanimous bipartisan support. The Senate passed it off the floor unanimously last week. One of the sponsors of HB 1355 is a Democrat and numerous Democratic lawmakers have signed on as co-sponsors.

That bipartisan support ended Wednesday after more than 100 Chinese Americans, permanent residents, students, professors and others packed a House committee room and told lawmakers the bill was discriminatory. Several recounted stories of racial discrimination.

“I’m trying to protect my family from unintended consequences that come with this bill,” Baoliang Pan of Orlando told lawmakers. “Many times during COVID, my wife and family were verbally assaulted by people shouting racial slurs like ‘Chinese virus. Go back to China.’”

Several focused on the requirement to register their ownership with the state, comparing it to the 1938 law imposed by Nazi Germany requiring Jews to register their property with the government.

“Are we really in 2023? Or are we in 1935?” said Daniel Ettedgui, a French immigrant who runs a business that helps foreigners buy property in the United States.

Other speakers warned that the legislation would have other effects. Parents of Chinese students often buy a condo or home for their child studying in the U.S., which would be prohibited if the parents are living in China.

Lobbyist Slater Bayliss told lawmakers it would prohibit EB-5 investments, a federal program that allows foreigners to apply for green cards if they invest in commercial ventures in the U.S.

In Suwannee County, for example, a high-tech sawmill touted by Gov. Rick Scott in 2011 was partly financed by Chinese EB-5 investors.

“By a broad reading of this bill, those investments would no longer be allowed in Florida,” Bayliss told lawmakers.

The bill sponsors on Wednesday said the public commenters were victims of “misinformation,” since the bill doesn’t apply to anyone who lives in Florida.

“The only people who this bill discriminates against is the Communist Party of China,” Rep. David Borrero, R-Sweetwater, told lawmakers. “The only people who have worried about not being able to buy land here? Those who are not living here.”

Rep. Katherine Waldron, D-Wellington, the other bill sponsor, agreed, although she said the bill will likely be amended to address the issue with Chinese students.

“I think everybody in that room is probably not included in this bill,” Waldron said after the committee. “We’re not trying to cause anybody harm who lives here.”

Instead, the intent is to make the state safer, she said, citing money laundering by foreigners buying expensive properties in Florida and criminal charges filed against two men this week accused of running an unauthorized Chinese police outpost in New York City.

Sunny Duann, president of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce of Tampa Bay, told the Times/Herald that Chinese Americans in Florida started organizing against the bills after seeing them pass the Senate last week.

“That singles out Chinese people, and that’s just not fair,” she said.

DeSantis said in January that he wanted lawmakers to prevent Chinese companies and nationals from buying Florida real estate. His office has made other efforts to stamp out Chinese influence, including banning local governments from using Chinese-made drones.

The extraordinary response on Wednesday prompted the committee chairperson, Rep. Lawrence McClure, R-Dover, to say that lawmakers need to communicate better with the public.

“If this bill is not affecting them, we (have) got a lot of work to inform them on that,” McClure said. “It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.”

ForceBeWithYou 发表于 2023-04-19 10:51:44
你觉得美国做的好就偷着乐呗，跳出来找踩贼刺激？

就捂嘴呗，什么都不能说，那这论坛也解散呗，所有人都闭嘴？

所以讲的是real estate 而已，并不是不让买房 我理解的对吗？

bearjoe 发表于 2023-4-20 06:30
查看了昨天的法案讨论和报道，还有法案本身的analysis，sec7这一条主要是针对中国来的炒房团，中国居民限 ...

section 7可是连exemption都不给啊，哪来的限制炒房团？
你能说你完全和(1)(A)2,3,4完全没关系？subdivision clause对大陆出身的USC简直就是通杀，而且用词极为刁钻，直接避免了foreign principals这个定义，就是对着中国人来的，前六个section都用了foreign principals，sec 7你找得到这个词么？
有点好奇你看的是哪个讨论、报道和分析
还有F1根本满足不了domicile clause

abudulah 发表于 2023-4-27 22:53
所以讲的是real estate 而已，并不是不让买房 我理解的对吗？

(6) “Real property” means land, buildings, fixtures, and all other improvements to land.
法案用词是real property，这个定义可比房广多了
而且法案本身搞了个20英里的exclusion zone，所有critical infrastructure facility周围20英里都不允许购买real property
这个CIF包括机场、海港、变电设施、水处理厂等等。按照FL对机场的定义，所有GA机场都算，几乎整个FL没有能买地的地方了就

肥颓 发表于 2023-4-19 20:24
谷爱0来了上海都买不了房

哈哈哈哈 国内一视同仁，没户口都白扯