请大牛介绍一下ETH的stat和cse(computational science and engineering)的情况

统计区介绍欧洲项目的好少，楼主是16fall，想主申欧洲，对ETH的统计master和cse的master很感兴趣，因此想请地里的大牛们介绍一下这俩的情况作为选校参考。
主要问题是，这两个项目接受跨专业申请么，项目课程如何，教授是否肯写推荐信，是否适合作为申请统计PhD和cse的PhD的跳板？
谢谢啦！

ETHZ，好学校呢


我给你简单介绍一些研究状况，就当抛砖引玉，毕竟我也没去那交流过。

我看论文的时候看过一些ETHZ和EPFL的文章。我自己感觉，这几年欧陆ETHZ和EPFL基本是在系统领域最顶尖的两所学校了，基本上欧陆只有这两所学校能经常发SOSP和OSDI，很适合读博。

ETHZ和EPFL的博士自身是带assistant职位的，ETHZ每年应该有7w ，EPFL是5w。不用交学费。

ETHZ的博士，和美国那边不一样的地方在于，和老师的关系更紧密。给你个链接：

http://www.lst.inf.ethz.ch/research/jobs.html

There are few important differences between obtaining a doctoral degree at ETH Zürich and a US or Canadian institution (and the comments about ETH Zürich apply to many institutions in Central Europe). The advisor plays a more important role in the life of an ETH doctoral student than in the education at a US or Canadian institution. There is no departmental or school-wide Ph.D. program that admits students. Instead, every advisor selects students based on his or her model of a doctoral education. The institution operates an office that administers the sequence of steps that finally lead to granting a degree, but the prospective student deals with this office only after he or she has found an advisor. The institution imposes only a few formal requirements (e.g., about taking courses or classes). Most of the decisions regarding the student's program are made by his or her advisor. Consequently, the expectations can differ significantly between professors even in the same department.

My personal opinion is that a person who holds a Ph.D. degree (or its equivalent) should be an independent researcher. This statement implies that this person should be able to identify a research topic, pursue the research, and then report and disseminate the results. So an important part of obtaining the degree is to find a topic in collaboration with an advisor. If the topic is already defined (by the advisor or another party) at the start of the doctoral education, then the student may be able to demonstrate that he or she can carry out a complex task. But such a plan does not allow the student to learn what it takes to identify a research topic. And this skill of identifying a research theme is essential for an independent researcher. It is difficult to predict how long it takes to tackle these steps mentioned above. A student must spend some time surveying the field and may very well pursue a few dead ends. Better to do this as a student than in your first job. Some advertisements may say that an institution offers you a position for n years (often n=3) and will reward you with a degree for working on the XYZ problem. If you care about getting an academic title in a short time, such a position may be ideal for you. On the other hand, if you want to learn what it takes to do research then you may want to apply here.

EPFL那边也差不多

总之，如果以后想走科研，选这两所学校我认为很不错。我的标准是，能经常在顶会上看到成果的学校，科研肯定给力。

我是2015fall的，本科IE申到了ETH的ms statistics，算是有点跨专业了。我知道的还有申上的有港大统计本和南大本（专业忘了）。项目的课程网上都可以搜到，个人感觉本科就是统计的话会有不少是学过的（比如regression啥的）。申请难度应该并没有神高（不然也不会录我。。），但总体路的人本科学校都是很不错的。据我了解这个专业还是比较偏professional导向的，但是进去之后自己主动一点去找教授应该也是可以转phd的。（虽然我最后还是去美帝了。。）

robinho364 发表于 2015-10-4 20:13
ETHZ，好学校呢

非常感谢回复，感觉瑞士这样的国家非常适合专心做科研，是读PhD的绝佳地点。只是瑞士的工作机会肯定远少于美国，工作签证也更难，读完master想就业估计只能回国了。
您是正在读stat的PhD么，希望以后还能多向您请教。
当然现在想这些对于我来说还太早，我很想知道ETHZ的STAT录取的中国大陆本科的学生的背景状况，好为自己申请做一个定位。

有个叫新欧洲的论坛貌似专门讲欧洲的。这里申请ETH的人不多。欧洲的硕士都是成为博士的步骤，当然都很好

q8099086 发表于 2015-10-3 01:08
有个叫新欧洲的论坛貌似专门讲欧洲的。这里申请ETH的人不多。欧洲的硕士都是成为博士的步骤，当然都很好

谢谢告知，very prompt，我也去新欧洲问问

robinho364 发表于 2015-10-4 20:13
ETHZ，好学校呢

谢谢信息！想问本科毕业可以直接申请ETH PhD吗？

davewu 发表于 2015-10-4 21:14
谢谢信息！想问本科毕业可以直接申请ETH PhD吗？

不可以吧，欧洲的ms是phd的基础，美国也就相当于把这两个合一起了

另外虽然一般而言eth不接受本科生直接过去读phd，但是真的特别牛的其实也是可以的。。（反正我知道有这样的人。。）

davewu 发表于 2015-10-4 21:14
谢谢信息！想问本科毕业可以直接申请ETH PhD吗？

上面那位仁兄已经给解释了哈，我记得是recommend硕士学位呢