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Q: Curious about your perspective in G for same question?
But frankly what you said about exec reviews being a cross examination is terrible! You need a collaborative mindset to solve problems. Looks like Amazon leaders don't have that?
A: Google is different yes. There is more a sense that everyone is trying to help each other. It is just a different style. Like if you were on a sports team and had a really tough coach. ..
At Google there is much more about how you treat each other, especially your team. So not just what you get done, but how. And relationship and earning trust. There is as much as I have seen much less politics too, so you do need to be technical and make good decisions. As much as its about relationships, you can't play politics.
By play politics, I mean say things that make you or your team look good. Like how politicians are really careful about what they say, and then people are like that sounded good but then they realize it didn't give them much useful information. Versus a lot of us engineers will just say what's on our mind and even though it's right, it puts our foot in our mouth.
Example if I didn't play politics then I could give an answer to this question like "You could just lookup the term" or "if you don't know what means then you shouldn't be a manager". Or something like that..
In truth, when you become a good manager, you can say the right things without hiding information. But most people either hide information or don't say the right thing. It's hard.
Q: I can only say one thing about Amazon: It’s not a collaborative environment. Your teammates are your enemies at Amazon. I don’t like to treat anyone like that or be treated either.
A: The teams I worked on, not everyone was an enemy. Its not like when you go work at Amazon then suddenly you become a bad person. But the PIP culture and the stress do make you more likely to turn bad. And because Amazon culture doesn't reward being kind, its not a core value like at Google. But I did like the people I work with and they were not all out to backstab.
The learnings I had at Amazon are about how to get things done efficiently and not give up. The difference is at Google people will give up easier or be unwilling to cut corners. At Amazon it is like life and death so you don't have the option to give up. You either get it done or you might as well look for another job. And this happens frequently so you get good or get out.. From 1point 3acres bbs
The things I learned at Google is it is ok to sacrifice short term for long term. You can have backbone and say you're not going to do this because it will make things worse down the road. And at Google you really really really need to know the technical details. You can't fake or politic your way out of things. Because even your proposal solves the problem, someone will inspect it and say wait but this is not the right scalable long term solution. Whereas at Amazon it is just solve the problem and move to the next one.
These are opposite cultures. But it is good to have both experiences. Because then I can weigh between them and make balanced decisions.
Q: What’s the engineer quality between A and G?
A: Quality of both is high. Depends what you want them to do though. If I have to make a big scalable service and make sure that it runs well and that issues will be solved immediately when they come up, I will definitely get Amazon SDE's. Any Amazon SDE who has survived a few years is dependable. The problem though with Amazon SDE is you get so used to fighting fires and taking shortcuts that it's hard to think big.
Whereas Google values "cognitive" a lot. If I want someone who will solve really tough problems or I don't know what the problem is to be solved, then I will hire someone from Google. If I want someone who can think long term and create a good design upfront then Google it is.
These are extremes, not everyone at Google and Amazon are like the above. Ideally I would have a mix of both. The Amazon SDE's will think the Googlers go too slow. The Google SWE's will think the Amazonians can't think long term.
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Q: Is there a path for you to get to L8 at Google? Curious what your manager says about this when you ask.
A: Yes definitely yes. And we have had promos here to L8. It is really just about sustained track record. I am doing well and every year we talk about the gaps. It is a long journey though, getting to director is not easy and there is a lot of opportunity to do damage if I get promoted and don't do a good job. But yes yes yes, I know a lot of L7's at Google and they all are confident they have path to L8. And a few of them have gotten there these past 1-2 years. . 1point 3 acres
Q: I'm an SDE at Amazon and recently passed the onsite interviews at Google. I'm currently in "Team Matching".
What should I do to increase the likelihood of finding a team and getting an offer?
A: I have so many awful team matching calls where candidates come unprepared. These candidates don't understand the basics that it's still an interview and what they say makes an impression. They ask lots of questions about on call and WLB and perks. They think the TM is about them.
Don't do that. Research the project. Ask questions about the project and tech. Managers love to talk about their challenges and roadmap. When theamagwr answers, don't just say OK. At least say That sounds interesting and aligns with my interests because ...
Good luck!
Q: What slowed your career progression the most?
A: That is a tough question. I did well at both companies. At L7, promotions are also about opportunities. You need to have a big enough org. You need to be given a big enough charter. Sometimes you have to fight for those or look around internally to find an opportunity. Personally, I just don't think too much about career progression, I think it can lead to bad behaviors. Like I leave an org that I like because I want to get promoted faster. I get paid enough and I like what I am doing and I like the people in my org and the people I work with. Those are enough. I left Amazon because I didn't have those things so maybe I am too sensitive about those though.. 1point3acres
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Q: How to best prepare for em interviews at Google? As someone who converted from SDE to SDM 2 years ago.
A: No magic. The LP questions at Amazon are a good start. But Google culture is different so adapt your answers. Tech side is similar to Amazon, practice your system design. Since you were a SDE recently, at least you don't have to practice much coding. I would be most skeptical of you for lack of EM experience since you are 2 years from SDE, so you need to have good answers about depth of experience for the last 2 years. |
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