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深夜连发三封邮件哥大也是够拼的，今年哥大CS & STAT MS一反常态拒了一众大神，颇有overqualify的意思。。。我大概是背景有硬伤(双非出身)，远不到OQ的水准才侥幸都录了吧 LOL

他家ML实力很强，NLP尤为突出，前几年一直系师兄从了哥大 CS MS进NLP lab最后跳板到四大PhD混得风声水起，加之最近两年又引进了几个年轻有为的ML big star，确实可以作为PhD跳板。不过和大UCSD CS MS一比性价比实在太低了，很大可能还是会decline掉

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先容我再研究几天 prof profile ～
谁能告诉我 Michael Collins 和 David Blei 有多牛逼？

附热情洋溢的邮件:

Hi,

Congratulations on your acceptance to the Master of Science program in Computer Science at Columbia University!

I would like to provide additional information about Columbia, School of Engineering, and the CS Department in hopes of painting a fuller picture of your future experience.

Many accepted applicants are curious about the career services that are available to students at Columbia. CS@CU is fortunate to have a departmental Career Development Officer, Jessica Rosa, who works closely with individual students on their career-development needs. In addition, she reaches out to employers and invites them for technical talks, information sessions, and for office hours. These career-development events provide students the opportunities to meet with company representatives and to build important connections.

Columbia's Center for Career Education offers various services to help students prepare for their job-search process as well. The Center organizes Career Fairs (Fall Career Fair, Engineering Career Fair, Startup Career Fair, and Spring Career Fair) throughout the academic year in addition to numerous career-development workshops. To find more about the services that CCE offers, please visit their website.

Many of you probably have questions about research opportunities in the department. Each semester, we have a Research Project Fair, which provides an opportunity for faculty/researchers to present their projects to our students. Many students find projects that match their interests and register for at least one research project course in their time here.

.--Last but not least, Columbia University is located in the City of New York. Columbia University offers free access to museums and discount tickets to Broadway/Off-Broadway shows, concerts, and lectures. In addition to these benefits, SEAS and the CS Department organize many social events and tech talks to help students get to know each other.

If you any questions or concerns, I have set up a CS@CU Fall 15 LinkedIn group. I will be inviting you to the group shortly, so if you do not have a LinkedIn account, please create one. Feel free to post questions, and we'll try to respond as quickly as possible.

In addition to me, our Student Affairs Officer, Kathryn Angeles, will be available to answer any questions you may have.

Again, congratulations, and hope to see you in Fall 15.

Best Regards,
Remi Moss

myllm 发表于 2015-4-16 08:10
只见过嫌哥大招生多的。。怎么现在都觉得哥大课程水了。。。

哥大OS有OS1和OS2。。你可以上2试试。。

哪敢说哥大课程水
即使是OS 1和国内本科OS课比也不知道高到哪里去了。。

我只是在UCSD和哥大两个顶尖的计算机系之间比较哪个课程更全更好而已。。
（优中选优，而非厚此薄彼）

比如system(OS/Computer Architecture/distributed system)相关的课程：
哥大开的只有：OS 1, OS 2, Computer Architecture，Special Topics In Computer Science(Distributed Sys Fundament) 这四门，而且OS 1，computer arch都是COMS 4xxx (看了syllabus我认为是本科生OS/Computer Arch 101。。)
UCSD：CSE 1xx (本科生课程)中对应COMS 4xxx的OS，Computer Arch的就不说了，CSE 2xx (研究生课程) 里面有OS，Principles of Computer Architecture, Advanced Computer Architecture, Storage System, Parallel Computer Architecture, Advanced Microarchitecture， Principles of Distributed Systems, Distributed Computing 等

比如Compiler/Programming Language相关的课程：
哥大只有COMS 4xxx级别的 Programming Languages and Translators, 以及COMS 3xxx级别的Advanced Programming
UCSD除了有对应COMS 3xx/4xx级别的CSE 1xx：Compiler Construction I, Prog Lang-Princ & Paradigms
还有CSE 2xx级别的Principles of Programming Languages, Advanced Compiler Design

只是列举了system/PL这两个方向的课程(UCSD和Columbia都没有罗列topics/seminar)，其他的CS主流方向(CV, network, DB, AI, etc)的课程设置上也都是感觉UCSD的课程比哥大更全也更深入(注意我没说哥大不好或者水。。好坏相对的)。

客观上讲UCSD CSE比Columbia CS dept.要大，整体实力要强一些(usnews cs ranking, QS subject ranking这种主观的排名系统中两家差不太多，毕竟哥大ivy光环；完全依据publication和一些客观指标的排名系统比如：microsoft academic search/ARWU cs ranking, UCSD CSE还是要高不少的)。当然UCSD课比较多比较全也有可能是因为UCSD是quarter制而哥大是semester制的缘故。。。

References:
[1] http://www.cs.columbia.edu/education/courses
[2] http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/node/198

tailofjune 发表于 2015-4-7 12:08
没具体研究过哥大花费，听说跟CMU差不多？
感觉哥大还是比UCSD好。

目前所知，哥大还是要比CMU便宜一点的(学费 + 生活费)
CMU: (21000 * 4 semesters + 1000 * 24 months) * 6.2 = 67.0W RMB
Columbia: (1640 * 30 credits + 1700 * 24 months) * 6.2 = 55.8W RMB

为啥觉得哥大比UCSD好一点呢？求MCDS大神说说理由哈～

.. 我觉得哥大和UCSD比有几点不太满意的地方：

1. 哥大一年半只能上10门课，UCSD上满6个quarter可以上18-20门课了，我还是想通过上课多学一点东西。。从学习的角度哥大一年半有点短。。

2. 哥大CS整体学术水平要低于UCSD CSE, 从ARWU以及microsoft academic search可以看出。usnews CS ranking两家差不多可能还是碍于哥大是老牌藤校的reputation。

3. 生活气候环境上NYC和La Jolla还是差太多了。。

目前唯一觉得哥大CS好的地方是：
big name prof非常多，以NLP为例, 哥大有: Michael Collins, Dave Blei, Julia Hirschberg, Kathy McKeown etc，UCSD只有: Roger Levy, Lawrence Saul, 后两者在NLP界的影响力远不如前面四个。在programming language方面哥大还有Bjarne Strousrup和Alfred Aho这种如雷贯耳的大牛。。。只是不理解哥大CS有那么多大牛坐镇为何在学术排名上和UCSD CSE差这么多。。。

学费倒是次要的，找工作的情况学校的牌子都够了还是看个人吧，Columbia CS和UCSD CS往届的情况都很不错也没啥顾虑的。综合名气不考虑。
求给点意见哈～

EroicaCMCS 发表于 2015-4-7 15:10
目前所知，哥大还是要比CMU便宜一点的(学费 + 生活费)
CMU: (21000 * 4 semesters + 1000 * 24 months)  ...

CMU和Columbia我是按一年半算的费用,一年半应该差不多.
选哪个主要还是看你在乎什么.相比较而言,
UCSD的优点在于1.气候好,环境静谧,临海自然风景好;2.费用便宜,特别是做了TA之后基本都不怎么花钱了.
Columbia的优点在于1.藤校名气大;2.地处纽约繁华.
两者学业上都不差,Columbia水已经是几年前的事情了,今年我觉得bar比UCSD还高.Career Fair看介绍的学长说两校也都很好.
相比较而言我自己更看重藤校名气,毕竟一个屌丝大公立,一个藤校,高下立判.到时候说出去,哥大大部分人还是知道的;UCSD,学校就没听过,还是个分校…(求UCSD同学别打我)
至于你说的前两点顾虑,
1.10门课还不够吗,UCSD你还要上6个q学18-20门课…你也不是转专业,本科上的课还不够吗.我知道有人故意前几个学期多修课修够培养计划,留出最后一个学期空闲点找工作,你还要多上课...我觉得1年半就够了,不会太赶,暑期还可以做实习.读2年真的有点浪费时间+金钱.
2.真的,读个Master还是别看什么学术ranking了...大概知道学校在什么层次就好.

风生水起，哈哈

Cong！......我至今都还没消息

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恭喜！我的还没到。。

没具体研究过哥大花费，听说跟CMU差不多？
感觉哥大还是比UCSD好。

tailofjune 发表于 2015-4-7 12:08
没具体研究过哥大花费，听说跟CMU差不多？
感觉哥大还是比UCSD好。

为什么哥大比UCSD好呢？

EroicaCMCS 发表于 2015-4-7 15:10
目前所知，哥大还是要比CMU便宜一点的(学费 + 生活费)
CMU: (21000 * 4 semesters + 1000 * 24 months)  ...

疙瘩是1.5年的，一个学分是1710刀，所以花费应该是(1710*30 + 2000 * 18) * 6.2 = 54w，最后跪求lz赶紧decline吧，我疙瘩和SD都是pending

PS： lz疙瘩什么时候submit的？