UMich ME某教授给THU学生的回信，建议来看看

刚在xiaonei看见的，大家仔细看看拿全奖然后中途quit有多伤RP吧。做人要厚道


letter from a professor majored in ME,U OF MICHIGAN,US
Dear xxx:
I would like to inform you of the situation relevant to Chinese graduate
students here, at least at our department, which makes it very difficult for
us to accept graduate students from China in the future.
Over about one year period, we have had 6 Chinese Ph.D. students quit their
RAship and Ph.D. studies. The reason for them to leave was not that they
could not continue, it was rather because they want to have a job now (a
higher salary, with a hope that the companies will apply for their green
card status). They came with thier promises to pursue their Ph.D. degrees,
we paid tuition for them to take courses for their Master degree, and we
taught and helped them in their research capabilities. Once they got their
M.S. degree in Mechanical Engeering, because of the excellent job market in
the U.S. at this time, it is relatively easy for them to find a job. In a
way we felt that we were used as a step for those Chinese students to come
here, and get their master's degree, then get their jobs. We pay
approximately $45-50 K/year for each Ph.D. student, including the tuition,
health insurance, various fees, lab and computer fees, and monthly salary,
. 1point 3 acreswe also put a lot of time and efforts for them. They (most of them) also did
good research work as assistants. However, we don't get credit because we
don't produce PH.D's, which is one of our major purposes as an institution
of high education. On the other hand, they have their particular interests
which are also understandable, for example, financial pressure, and wishes
to have their green card applications on the way asap.
This situation also happened to my Chinese Ph.D.student. He is very talented
. .иand did a good job in research. However, after he got his M.S. in M.E., he
resigned very recently. We still let him stay here presently (with salary)
for one more month, otherwise he will have to repay his tuition, which is
over $10K. Although we are very considerate for those students, the
consequencies are obvious:
(1) It greatly degraded the reputation of Chinese graduate students who
apply for admission. Some professors address those as "very unethical", "you
really cannot trust them when they promise you to pursue their Ph.D. degrees
under your supervision", " you feel you are so stupid as cheated by your own
student". It really created some resentment. Actually, I know, as of this
time, there are a couple of more students looking for a job or already got a
job offer, but not telling their advisors. They will quit at the last minute
before they leave. This situation will certainly get backfired, and the
damadge will mostly be transferred onto the future applicants from China.
(2) Some professors or research scientists have already made their decisions
not to consider Chinese student applications. Although it should not and
cannot be a policy, it is the individual's decision in selecting future
Ph.D. students with preference, and in my opinion, with good reasons. It
will make it much more difficult for us to bring in Ph.D. students from
China. For example, as you know, I was looking for one or two Ph.D. students
later this year, and I have a vacancy for a Ph.D. student now. But I will
not consider Chinese applicants. At the same time I feel truely sorry, for I
know, especially many graduate students from Tsinghua University of very
high qualifications sent email applications to me (and to other professors),
including yourself. Now I have to inform you that please try your
applications elsewhere, or other professors.
In our department, many Chinese graduate students know me and we have a very
friendly relationships. The faculty members know that too. One told me: "You
try to help them, then they screw you up!"
I spent time to write this email message, for your information and
considerations, as to how this situation may be somehow alleviated. You may
discuss this with your close friends and classmates, I am not sure you
should broadly propagate this message. But I did present a fact and an
opinion
(XYS20070402)

这挺现实的...不过教授也都是高手，也不是那个学生都能斗得过的

sigh~~~我觉得这个问题也不能老发生在中国学生身上吧，印度等等国际学生难道觉悟就比咱高？？不见得吧。。。

当然我觉得这里的一个原因是大部分中国学生是被迫选择了Phd。像我一样，如果想出去，唯一的出路就是Phd。加上很多北清科的出国风。导致很多人可能就没想清楚为什么要读Phd?你以后想要做什么样的工作？你要得到什么，一个Phd能提供你要的东西吗？？这些问题我想应该申请前就是应该搞清楚的吧。每年都有很多人申请过程半途而废的，甚至到那里读不下来的。。。

当然，你的quit对老师确实是个损失。前两年他在你身上的投资至少有10w 刀了吧。有时候一个NSF小项目的经费也就是几十万刀。。。。而前两年你几乎是没有任何产出的，等第三年开始出成果了，你却走了。。老师有得重新开始。。。。

想想自己，也还是蛮自责的哈。。老师这么早把我录了，今年也就没再招别的学生，而且又鼓励我放弃公派，给我全奖。。最近又告诉我给我申了个fellow。。还说下学期开始给我些研究上的指导。。。
我却心还想着等更好的offer。。。哎。。。遭雷劈啊。。。

。。。。你真能延伸啊……
双向选择，没有你说的那么伤RP……你拒了他，他还是可以找别的学生的嘛～

4# zach
反正如果不去最好去前就告诉他。。别都去了读了两年又转走了。。。这个我觉得确实不好啊。。

最近刚听说几个中国学生quit了phd，他们老师已经放话再也不招中国学生鸟……

6# natexu
ls U mich的？？
有点想不通U mich这么好的学校为啥要quit。。。phd出来不是前途光明着么。。。我觉得quit多发生在弱校。。想想Phd出来也就是个工业界和ms,bs抢饭碗，还不如早早quit出来呢。。。

额，我看到很多学校都说明白了读博士不给硕士学位啊。。。所以我压根没想过中途quit。。。其实我也挺想问下教授的，但是觉得这样问好像有那种倾向。。。有没有很纯洁的问法啊。。。

7# superwangxp
不是u mich的

额，我看到很多学校都说明白了读博士不给硕士学位啊。。。所以我压根没想过中途quit。。。其实我也挺想问下教授的，但是觉得这样问好像有那种倾向。。。有没有很纯洁的问法啊。。。
Adrienne 发表于 2010-3-7 01:57

还是算了吧………………人家给全奖，最好就读完了……RP最重要啊……