OPT extension在第三方工作违法？

Jiabin 发表于 2018-8-16 00:45
关键点还是在移民局最终是否认定你有violation，unlawful presence only kicks in when USCIS makes a de ...

这个我不太同意，8月9日的新规就是没有你说的“unlawful presence only kicks in when USCIS makes a decision”了，从事unauthorized activity 的第二天就开始计算，不需要被发现···而且我见过很多H-1B甚至绿卡都批了的人，最后入籍的时候被移民局往回追溯，发现以前的身份有问题，而否决了所有过去给的合法身份，所以并不是说H-1B已经通过了就证明移民局认为以前的身份都没问题~~
就是因为像你说的，最后的决定权在移民局，所以我们只能尽量保证他们怎么查，什么时候查，我们的身份都没有问题才能确保不会被某天通知我们违反规定了~~

fxppnm 发表于 2018-8-16 01:08
这个我不太同意，8月9日的新规就是没有你说的“unlawful presence only kicks in when USCIS makes a dec ...

这句话是IG的原话，准不准确不好说，但是我觉得还是有道理的。

可能我之前说“计算”这个词有歧义吧，这个kick in只是说什么时候开始清算（找你算账），不是从什么时候开始计算非法滞留天数。确实是从unauthorized activity的第二天就开始计算了非法滞留，但是什么时候才会去做这个计算呢？是在uscis认定你violation of status以后。

你可能H1B没事，绿卡没事，入籍的时候觉得你很久很久以前violation of status，从而下了判断你status有问题，这时候unlawful presence kicks in了，找到你unauthorized activity第二天，计算总天数。这时候这个8月9号的规定后果就很严重了。

Jiabin 发表于 2018-8-16 00:54
IG那个视频我看了两遍了，还是有很多疑问，如果有更多人看了有新的理解，欢迎讨论。

我的理解是

也不懂，真的太头疼。 要真的合法度过这个capgap，估计得把STEM OPT 员工暂时搬回自己的building...

Jiabin 发表于 2018-8-16 01:40
这句话是IG的原话，准不准确不好说，但是我觉得还是有道理的。

可能我之前说“计算”这个词有歧义吧， ...

这样解释的话我就理解你的意思了~~我好奇IG到底是个什么存在，地里很多人都会引用它的解读，虽然移民局的规定有很多模糊的地方需要大家讨论，那为什么大家不引用比如律师协会或者某个专业律师的解读呢~~IG解读的方式也比较官方么？~~

fxppnm 发表于 2018-8-16 04:30
这样解释的话我就理解你的意思了~~我好奇IG到底是个什么存在，地里很多人都会引用它的解读，虽然移民局的 ...

并没有说她说的一定是对的
但她就是个有经验的移民律师，最重要的是愿意分享信息，回答问题，所以很多人都会看。
很多律师都是客户导向的吧，你如果能找到解读，也可以拿过来分享。

Jiabin 发表于 2018-8-16 22:21
并没有说她说的一定是对的
但她就是个有经验的移民律师，最重要的是愿意分享信息，回答问题，所以很多人 ...

原来她也是移民律师啊~~那就可以理解了~~
我觉得引用别的律师的分享可能地里不允许，毕竟地里有律师是付了费进驻的~~但是IG可能是个特例吧~~

Jiabin 发表于 2018-8-16 22:21
并没有说她说的一定是对的
但她就是个有经验的移民律师，最重要的是愿意分享信息，回答问题，所以很多人 ...

DHS is clarifying that STEM OPT participants may engage in a training experience that takes place at a site other than the employer’s principal place of business as long as all of the training obligations are met.

As before, the employer must have and maintain a bona fide employer-employee relationship with the student.



DHS will review on a case-by-case basis whether the student will be a bona fide employee of the employer signing the Training Plan, and verify that the employer that signs the Training Plan is the same entity that employs the student and provides the practical training experience.

IMPORTANT: The restriction on staffing and temp agencies remains the same. This means not all third-party employment can qualify for STEM OPT. A Staffing or Temp agency may not contract students out to work at a customer or client site. Staffing or Temp agencies can only employ STEM OPT students in-house.

Consulting arrangements should be distinguished from staffing / temp agencies such that consulting firms should be allowed to place a student at a third-party site as long as the student will be a bona fide employee of the consulting firm and the consulting firm  has sufficient resources and trained or supervisory personnel available to provide appropriate training in connection with the specified training opportunity at the location(s) where the student’s practical training experience will take place, as specified in the Form I-983. The “personnel” who may provide and supervise the training experience may be either employees of the consulting firm, or contractors who the consulting firm has directly retained to provide services to the consulting firm.



The following paragraph has been removed from the website:

For the same reason, online or distance learning arrangements may not be used to fulfill the employer’s training obligation to the student. For instance, the employer may not fulfill its training obligation to provide a structured and guided work-based learning experience by having the student make periodic visits to the employer’s place of business to receive training, while the student is actually working at the place of business or worksite of a client or customer of the employer. Similarly, the employer may not fulfill its training obligation by having the student make periodic telephone calls or send periodic email messages to the employer to describe and discuss their experiences at the place of business or worksite of a client or customer of the employer.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-un ... employment/stem-opt

已经不违法了，USCIS今天更新了网页

补充内容 (2018-8-18 05:23):
不是所有都违法，应该这么说

keanezheng 发表于 2018-8-18 05:09
已经不违法了，USCIS今天更新了网页

补充内容 (2018-8-18 05:23):

喜大普奔

keanezheng 发表于 2018-8-18 05:09
已经不违法了，USCIS今天更新了网页

补充内容 (2018-8-18 05:23):

你好，请问你能详细说一下什么样的第三方违法吗。。extension还能去icc工作不