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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presi ... les-republic-china/

White House 刚发的. Χ

补充内容 (2020-5-30 05:56):. check 1point3acres for more.
3个关键的点:1. 目前对境内的没有影响,只是ban entry,但未来可能会考虑revoke。2.给的范围很模糊,在支持“military‑civil fusion strategy”学校上过学的都算。. check 1point3acres for more.
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补充内容 (2020-5-30 05:56):
3.exemption很多,最重要的一条:studying or conducting research in a field involving information that would not contribute to the PRC’s military‑civil fusion strategy 可以豁免,这一条能救很多人

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本帖最后由 tianxiaguixin 于 2020-5-30 05:33 编辑 .1point3acres

https://unitracker.aspi.org.au/
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这上面应该是所有的学校名单。是澳大利亚的一个网站,但是下面美国国务院的网站引用了这个澳大利亚的网站。
https://www.state.gov/chinas-mil ... -national-security/

不止包括国防七子,清华北大也有。请大家顶上去。
更新一下,个人统计:
对美国来说very high risk,除了解放军开头的,国防七子,还有清华 武 大 吉大 川大 湖南大学 电子科技大学等14所;

23所high risk   北大 浙大 上交 西交 天大等
33所medium risk 人大 复旦 同济 厦大 大工 兰大 地质大学 苏大
55所low risk 河北大学等等。


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补充内容 (2020-5-30 07:12):. .и
经人提醒 @Nativeatom,这个网站里的about页面最下面的位置有一句话,是这个网站 的funding来自于美国国务院(或者翻译为外交部)https://unitracker.aspi.org.au/about/。 说明这个名单的可靠性非常高。

补充内容 (2020-5-30 07:14):
去那个网站里点开具体的学校还有对这个学校的介绍,和相关专业的介绍。
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补充内容 (2020-5-30 07:35):
忘了说了,中科大和南大都是medium,作为C9友情提出来一下。
. 1point 3 acres39所985里面有6所不在名单里面:(中国农业 西北农林科技 北师大 华东师范 中国海洋 南开)主要是农业和师范。

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走过路过的加点米吧。~~

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alison1991 发表于 2020/05/30 07:29:10
想问一下国防七子的公共事业管理本科会算target 对象吗? 谢谢
这种一副就是关心自己受不受影响的人真是无力吐槽。而且这种问题谁能给你确切答案,地里有没有美国国务院的人。
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老油条 2020-5-30 05:19:43 | 只看该作者
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implements or supports the PRC’s “military-civil fusion strategy”
实施或支持中国“军民融合”战略的实体

这个范围包括了中国所有的大学,无一例外。稍微搜索一下就知道,即使北师大,北大,这种传统上跟工科关系不大的学校,也“实施或支持军民融合战略”。
我觉得看范围已经没有意义,目的是为了给边境一个理由任意拒绝中国F/J留学生入境,或(今后)任意驱逐F/J留学生。

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NiniVTHC 2020-5-30 04:25:05 | 只看该作者
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target的主要人群是

Section 1.  Suspension and Limitation on Entry.  The entry into the United States as a nonimmigrant of any national of the PRC seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an F or J visa to study or conduct research in the United States, except for a student seeking to pursue undergraduate study, and who either receives funding from or who currently is employed by, studies at, or conducts research at or on behalf of, or has been employed by, studied at, or conducted research at or on behalf of, an entity in the PRC that implements or supports the PRC’s “military-civil fusion strategy” is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation.  For the purposes of this proclamation, the term “military-civil fusion strategy” means actions by or at the behest of the PRC to acquire and divert foreign technologies, specifically critical and emerging technologies, to incorporate into and advance the PRC’s military capabilities.


补充内容 (2020-5-30 05:31):
专门打电话问了办公室的美国同事,被禁止入境要同时符合1) pursue F or J visa 和 2)有军方联系。只满足1)或者2)不会受到这个proclamation限制。

补充内容 (2020-5-30 05:57):
an entity in the PRC that implements or supports the PRC’s “military-civil fusion strategy” 太宽泛了,随便搜一下 “学校名字+军民融合”,几乎(99%)就能发现自己的学校多多少少都有军民融合的项目。
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NiniVTHC 2020-5-30 04:27:05 | 只看该作者
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以下情况不收影响

Sec. 2.  Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry.
(a)  Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(i)    any lawful permanent resident of the United States;

(ii)   any alien who is the spouse of a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident;

(iii)  any alien who is a member of the United States Armed Forces and any alien who is a spouse or child of a member of the United States Armed Forces;.1point3acres

(iv)   any alien whose travel falls within the scope of section 11 of the United Nations Headquarters Agreement or who would otherwise be allowed entry into the United States pursuant to United States obligations under applicable international agreements;

(v)    any alien who is studying or conducting research in a field involving information that would not contribute to the PRC’s military‑civil fusion strategy, as determined by the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies);

(vi)   any alien whose entry would further important United States law enforcement objectives, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their respective designees, based on a recommendation of the Attorney General or his designee; or

(vii)  any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their respective designees.
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(b)  Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to limit the ability of an individual to seek asylum, refugee status, withholding of removal, or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws of the United States.
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charlatteD 2020-5-30 04:27:37 | 只看该作者
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military-civil fusion strategy 也太模糊了吧。。。。
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100xss 2020-5-30 04:35:48 | 只看该作者
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The entry into the United States as a nonimmigrant of any national of the PRC seeking to enter the United States pursuant to an F or J visa to study or conduct research in the United States, except for a student seeking to pursue undergraduate study, and who either receives funding from or who currently is employed by, studies at, or conducts research at or on behalf of, or has been employed by, studied at, or conducted research at or on behalf of, an entity in the PRC that implements or supports the PRC’s “military-civil fusion strategy” is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation.  

这句说的是{any national of the PRC seeking to enter on F/J}和{who either receives funding... or who is currently employed by...}的并集还是交集呢?. 1point3acres
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 楼主| otterslide 2020-5-30 04:36:17 | 只看该作者
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NiniVTHC 发表于 2020-5-30 04:27
以下情况不收影响
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Sec. 2.  Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry.

是的,这样看来exception还挺多的,很多人能argue自己能fall under这些categories-baidu 1point3acres
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 楼主| otterslide 2020-5-30 04:36:56 | 只看该作者
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而且,目前来说,境内的不受影响

Sec. 6.  Additional Measures.  (a)  The Secretary of State shall consider, in the Secretary’s discretion, whether nationals of the PRC currently in the United States pursuant to F or J visas and who otherwise meet the criteria described in section 1 of this proclamation should have their visas revoked pursuant to section 221(i) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1201(i).

这是未来考虑的方案
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sw16 发表于 2020/05/30 04:35:48
The entry into the United States as a nonimmigrant of any na...
看起来像是并集?之间是and,前面的except for是修饰f/j那一句的.....如果是并集岂不是完蛋了。

补充内容 (2020-5-29 13:42):
唯一能救的是sec 2这一条:. .и

(v)    any alien who is studying or conducting research in a field involving information that would not contribute to the PRC’s military‑civil fusion strategy, as determined by the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies);. Χ

补充内容 (2020-5-29 13:42):
这是大家集体check的意思?还是他们打算直接拉个清单?

补充内容 (2020-5-29 14:00):
再仔细读了一遍,所有的一长串修饰,都是关于“试图用nonoimmigrant status 进入us 的中国公民”。
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第一条是 所有f/j except undergraduate.1point3acres
第二条那一串指的是所有和military有关的人,不限于f/j签,任何nonimmigrant status都算。
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MGen 2020-5-30 04:40:25 | 只看该作者
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otterslide 发表于 2020-5-29 16:36
而且,目前来说,境内的不受影响

Sec. 6.  Additional Measures.  (a)  The Secretary of State shall c ...

这感觉就是说接下来就要对境内在读的动手啊
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rose1234554321 发表于 2020-5-30 04:38
看起来像是并集?之间是and,前面的except for是修饰f/j那一句的.....如果是并集岂不是完蛋了。

那个add是个语法错误吧。. check 1point3acres for more.
who应该是对any national of the PRC ... 的具体说明
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