OPT NEW STEM 10/19正式进入公示!!!!!!!，准备好评论吧小伙伴们

johnM 发表于 2015-11-6 12:10
You said "students have no problem and the problem is about the company", I think you are wrong. I ...

首先感谢你读懂了我说的意思，但是你还是没全懂。既然你愿意听，哥就再给你多说点。

为什么那些印度外包公司还存在？是因为他们可以从印度国内每年通过工作签证雇佣大量的印度本土员工来美国工作，是因为这些从而影响了正常的市场竞争和本应该走入正轨的工作签证制度。正因为有利可图，而且法律允许，这些外包公司才可以存在到现在。大部分opt的国际学生并不是这些公司的受益者，而是受害者。因为他们凭借自己的能力去工作，却因为工作签证被外包公司滥用而作废。你看到的那些去印度外包公司寻求工作和去cpt学校注册，很大程度上是结果，而非根源。

为什么你说廉价外国劳动力？第一，这个跟在opt的国际学生无关，是外国公司从印度直接雇佣的廉价员工导致了恶性竞争；第二，所有的公司都是利益至上，使用这些外包服务的公司，因为有这些便宜的存在，总不能傻到去使用更加昂贵的某些人的服务吧。我想这个如果你一定要说，也是这些公司的责任，和opt的国际学生没半毛钱关系。

反对opt的法案，本来就是南辕北辙的做法。你不允许在美国受过教育的国际学生继续工作，反而把他们赶走，你觉得会怎样？会把所有的工作都留给本国公民吗？告诉你，绝对不会，这些工作会迅速被廉价的外包服务所代替。

Again，opt的国际学生没有错，根源错在这些有问题的公司。

最后如果你真是一个聪明好学的人，读读美国和欧洲史，看看死气沉沉的欧洲经济，你应该明白竞争对一个国家发展的重要。如果上面的你都没看懂，那我写句英语。Fortune always favors the diligence. You should fight for the opportunity. Never beg for it.

bigmenu 发表于 2015-11-6 13:24
首先感谢你读懂了我说的意思，但是你还是没全懂。既然你愿意听，哥就再给你多说点。

为什么那些印度外 ...

I agree that international students are the victims of those guest worker programs ( at least in case of
those truly talented ones).

However, this actually justifies that those guest worker programs which discriminate against truly talented guest workers should be abolished.

Your final quote "Fortune always favors the diligence. You should fight for the opportunity. Never beg for it", that is correct, I also think it is important to have a fair environment for competition and to reward people by merit and diligence. And again, this quote actually justifies that those guest worker programs which create unfairness should be abolished.

以下是我发的评论，希望所有跟此事有关的同学不要袖手旁观，这是自己的前途，自己的权利(如果不是OPT有29个月，我根本不会想来美国读研)，要自己争取。加油

Dear officers and citizens:

Please let me state my story very quickly.

I am a full stack developer of a startup company in Los Angeles with master degree in Computer Network. I am a foreigner with OPT. As the only developer of the startup company from July the last year, I worked with another 2 citizens and made every single code of the project, which could be reached as [URL REMOVED]

Luckily, we made some progress, investors from Hollywood began to help us to be an expecting Internet application. While unluckily, I did not get H1B VISA this year.

We were not caring about it so much because I was expected to stay in USA until May, 2017. I still got 2 chances for H1B. I have time, our startup has time. But now it is challenged by concerns of citizen jobs taken up by technique guys like me.

Whether me will be staying USA or not never bothers. But if I left, honestly, the startup will have terribly trouble. At least 150K dollars would be wasted to hire another 2 guys and hand over all my work(I am a full stack developer). The worse condition is there would be 6 months wasted, which might give a sentence to the startup.

Never forget that the startup contains other 2 citizens' dream, hollywood investors money and potential to make people's life better.

Guys, we are well educated engineers doing innovative works not only for money but also for a better human community. We work hard, as I work more than 10 hours a day for startup, not only to survive in America but because America is the greatest platform in the world to contribute with our brilliance.

In economy theory, a well educated guy has affirmative effect to society even he get high paid from it. And again in economy theory, the Intelligence Intensive Industry makes more sense when the more intelligences were connected in a smaller zone.

STEM graduates live me were so in trust of American Dream and doing hard to implement it. Please give us a chance to continue. And we will return you a better America.

Thank you for reading.

我的情况比较特殊，在一家创业公司做了一年多，公司只有我一个full stack，全是实现都是我一个人做的。最近公司刚找准方向有了起色，如果我被赶回去，这个三人的小公司，两年来的努力就基本泡汤了。

时间应该会延长吧？期待~~

首先，感谢这个版块能让我们中国留学生团结起来，有组织，有思想的去发表自己的观点和敢为自己的权利。

我们要知己知彼的反驳和提出见解。正如前面帖子所说的"

看了一些反对的评论，还没来得及看JohnM发在这里的帖子。感觉很多美国人还是不太了解OPT和H1B，为了反而反。
反对意见不外乎有那么两点：
1. 外国劳动力成本低，构成不正当竞争。
2. 很多在STEM行业的美国人找不到工作。工作应当优先给美国人。
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大家要详细阅读这些反对的帖子，我们要强有力的驳斥他们的狭隘思想！我这里写了一些提纲希望能和大家探讨，也起到抛砖引玉的。希望大家有思想有逻辑的反驳！

I strongly support OPT STEM extension to 24 months.

1. Will benefit technology industries and in a way contribute economics of USA. Google CEO, Sundar Pichai, Microsoft CEO Satya Narayana Nadella, ...... PepsiCo, MasterCard CEO.....OUr professors

2. Will benefit college and university and international students
    1> Make the program attractive...International student tuition & living cost...Opportunities for internship and full-time jobs, in the constrained fields.
    2>Not only good quality of education but also nice chance for temporary employed by companies in States.

3. DO NOT have big impact to hire opportunities to citizens.
    1> Working as OPT status has to be in the student's himself/herself major. LIMITED majors are applicable for 24 months extension. Even in STEM majors, widely and strictly constrained jobs are available for international students. (Many positions require CITIZENSHIP or experience which not applicable to new college graduate)..
   2> Each state has minimum salary requirement....The low cost labors points NOT supported . It is legal...Some international students indeed have greater ability and capability over native students, even in the same level of salary.

4. ABOUT “OPT denied American workers more than 430,000 jobs during the years 2009-2013”
  1> # is true???
  2> It is not OPT or extension denies, but H1B which gives long time as working status. But the number of  H1B visa each year is controlled  in the way of lottey.

—— ——。。。。。。我严重怀疑因为要写几句话 好多人就懒得去评论了 怎么办 有没有办法组织大规模的宣传一下（起码微信朋友圈要火一下吧。。。。） 大家多发发朋友圈啊 这几天negative的评价好多啊好多啊。。。。。。大家不能输啊。。。

已发评论，希望延期草案能顺利通过！

感觉得用美国人名字 略带调侃地说

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加油！一定把评论顶起来！

已经填写了支持。我写了很多关于对国际学生和美国经济双赢的评论。总觉得，血药更多的同学加入到这个行列。如果都只是看看而已，政策就真的变了。