OPT NEW STEM 10/19正式进入公示!!!!!!!，准备好评论吧小伙伴们

anna-1080 发表于 2015-11-5 01:21
说话这么冲干嘛？！谁欠你了一样

我正常说话啊，老美是写的很菜，有个人说我们这些毕业的人比美国人笨，证据就是他儿子说的，这是什么论证，不跟si一样

anna-1080 发表于 2015-11-3 13:26
Hey, looks like you already know the problem is Indian Outsourcing Company, why you don't aim at t ...

Firstly, you came on a non-immigrant F1 visa for education, not for work. This is what you said when you applied for F1 visa at the first time.

Secondly, I also expressed similar opinions to indian people(not just on REDBUS, but also directly to people from indian outsourcing firms because my company also has contract with those outsourcing firms)

Third, it has been no secret that OPT is the back door of guest work program like H1b visa.
H1b visa has been disastrous for US workers. While I do not deny there are many talented Chinese students on H1b visa, there are too many abuses that are too prevailing to be solved by small "fixes". Just like you cannot deny there are also bad people in Chinese student population who have damaged the overall image of Chinese students.

Finally, if you look at my previous post, my position is clear: abolishing OPT and H1b can actually open new doors for truly talented Chinese students to get green card more quickly.

After all, the whole point of OPT extension is for you to have a higher chance to get H1b visa.
The reason that Chinese students want H1b is that you can get green card via H1b sponsorship.
If the green card pathway via H1b visa is cancelled, will you still be happy even if H1b cap is removed and OPT is extend to 6 years?

大家不用想太多也不用太绕，美国人思维回路是直线的，简明直接才是

1）在美国受过高等教育的人应该回报美国社会
2）这些人都是依法纳税的
3）更优秀的人deserve在高科技领域有一席之地，这样才能激发更多的人进步，同时促进科技进步（可列举各种硅谷外籍人士高管）
4）工作市场对留学生其实是不利的，无数小公司只愿意招收公民，虽然有一些大公司愿意招外国人，但是还是只招公民的小公司多，有能力的美国人根本不可能找不到工作
5）不是因为留学生抢了他们的工作，而是根本没有很多美国人愿意在这些领域工作，学CS, EE的教室里有多少美国人？这些专业没有拦着美国人去学吧？
6）美国精神鼓励努力优秀上进的人得到机会，反对的人违背美国精神

至于抓住移民观点不放的人，嘛，美国本来就是个移民国家，美国的一切繁荣都建立在移民的基础之上，美国人最早也是移民好么，不服去和印第安人说吧

johnM 发表于 2015-11-5 10:39
Firstly, you came on a non-immigrant F1 visa for education, not for work. This is what you said wh ...

1. We do committed not work when we were still in school and actually we did not work when we were student. That is to make sure student can get good education and not be distracted by other things. Also for the reason of US workers Protection Policy.

2. Maybe you indeed did what you said. But we did not see a lot Americans action   on against these outsourcing company. Please do hard to them. Because they are the real ones who take away Amricans jobs.

3. Although some of foreign student stays by OPT work experience. That's what the policy want.  Make the talented people stays and benefits US. You can't just take the whole thing away for the small group peoples bad action. Your plan need many years to make it legalize, I don't think it the good way to handle current situation. You can't guarantee US people can approve it in the near future. At that time, what's about those ones who have american dreams? What they have to do at that time?

这段时间忙完了憋一篇长的，在截止日期前发一下

anna-1080 发表于 2015-11-6 03:37
1. We do committed not work when we were still in school and actually we did not work when we were ...

I want to particularly respond to the third point,  giving green cards to truly talented foreign students is currently difficult is because US law makers will never be convinced if there are huge problems with H1b and OPT programs. Things will be different if we abolish those disastrous guest worker programs.

Again, it is not my personal proposal(I am not a law maker and I cannot decide it). They are actual bills
in the Congress to give green cards to talented foreign students. The reason these bills do not pass is because the problems in those guest worker programs have raised too much resistance.

You said "You can't guarantee US people can approve it in the near future", well I can tell you even Donald Trump agrees that talented foreign students should stay in the United States

You said  "the small group peoples bad action", I think actually it is the reverse, those large companies like Apple, Amazon, Google which are willing to give high salaries to foreign students on a merit basis only account for a small proportion(I will say 20%-30%). 70%-80% are bad actors

royalheart 发表于 2015-11-5 16:53
大家不用想太多也不用太绕，美国人思维回路是直线的，简明直接才是

1）在美国受过高等教育的人应该回报 ...

Actually you should not worry too much about public-comment, most negative comments are just shouting and DHS officials will ignore them. Those public-comment period is for procedural purpose. H4 visa(work authorization for H1b holders' spouses) also received a lot of negative comments during public comment period  but it still got implemented.

You should worry more about the appeal that Washington Alliance of Technology Workers filed. They argue that DHS has no authority to establish the OPT program(not just the STEM, but the whole thing). The court is going to make a decision in next spring.

And do not be surprised if this case is brought to the Supreme Court.

Also, you had better pray that in 2017, a moderate candidate from either party will be the president and Democrats will take back the majority in Congress

既然你认识中国字，那哥就不就乎了，看得懂就看。

看了半天你说的，想让别人worry什么呢，可笑。本身opt的国际学生没有错，要是有问题也是那些有问题的公司，可笑的是那个什么组织还有这些深谙美国政治忧国忧民的人不去起诉这些有问题的公司，却来拿学生的事说事。更可笑的是，如果真是如你所说，继续起诉的理由居然是DHS没有权利立法，而不是法案本身有漏洞被有问题的公司利用需要修改，荒谬的逻辑。拿不出关乎事情本质的理由，用这些旁敲侧击的边角料来显事，可悲。

既然你那么热衷政治移民，为什么去做it，不如看看DHS有什么职位，进去参与制定rule，可能有更大的空间等着你。

最后感谢你不辞劳苦的来这里发帖，让大家明白这些荒谬的逻辑从何而来。

johnM 发表于 2015-11-6 07:17
Actually you should not worry too much about public-comment, most negative comments are just shout ...

既然你认识中国字，那哥就不就乎了，看得懂就看。

看了半天你说的，想让别人worry什么呢，可笑。本身opt的国际学生没有错，要是有问题也是那些有问题的公司，可笑的是那个什么组织还有这些深谙美国政治忧国忧民的人不去起诉这些有问题的公司，却来拿学生的事说事。更可笑的是，如果真是如你所说，继续起诉的理由居然是DHS没有权利立法，而不是法案本身有漏洞被有问题的公司利用需要修改，荒谬的逻辑。拿不出关乎事情本质的理由，用这些旁敲侧击的边角料来显事，可悲。

既然你那么热衷政治移民，为什么去做it，不如看看DHS有什么职位，进去参与制定rule，可能有更大的空间等着你。

最后感谢你不辞劳苦的来这里发帖，让大家明白这些荒谬的逻辑从何而来。

bigmenu 发表于 2015-11-6 09:47
既然你认识中国字，那哥就不就乎了，看得懂就看。

看了半天你说的，想让别人worry什么呢，可笑。本身o ...

You said "students have no problem and the problem is about the company", I think you are wrong. If you are right that "students have no problem", then why those Indian outsourcing firms still exist and are so prevailing? If people play by the rule, they should not seek jobs from those Indian outsourcing firms and I will not see people in this forum advocating those "schools" that students can register for CPT but never take actual classes.  

If the question is why the labor union targets at the program itself instead of those specific companies, one reason is that the abuse is so prevailing that the abuse has become the standard in the industry. And A bigger reason is that,the problem is not the "loophole" in those guest worker programs. Industry lobbyists design those guest worker programs exactly with the purpose to obtain cheap foreign labor.
If you ask why not just reform the programs to make it better, unfortunately American people do not trust "fixes" on the
current system because the government has failed too many times on immigration and those industry lobbyists fight arduously to maintain the abuse.

I do agree that those truly talented foreign students are the victims of this fight. But it is unfair for you to criticize  the labor union or American people(like myself) who oppose those guest worker program.
American people are the much bigger victims because in worst cases, Chinese students can still go back to their country to find jobs in China. How about US workers unfairly displaced by those guest workers? Where can they go?