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yang030118 2016-3-28 10:08:55 | 只看该作者
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谢谢 K 姐!小白一枚各种长见识中
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xdrealmadrid 2016-4-18 02:05:17 | 只看该作者
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胜读十年书 谢谢K姐指点
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 楼主| modifiedname 2016-4-18 15:22:02 | 只看该作者
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在MIT看见的好东西
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到最后,你做不做已经不重要了,老板发现,你确实只会造轮子,但是你的价值远远超
过一个只知道在车库里早车轮的人。 ..

谈的过程中,要注意给别人也透露信息,让别人减少对你的敌意。另外,目标可能觉得
太好而太不真实,但是你完全可以利用这两天谈到的信息,先给老板一个雏形的定位,
只要他认为你有潜力,不是一个只知道闭门造车的人,就好了。
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 楼主| modifiedname 2016-4-23 00:37:10 | 只看该作者
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https://www.quora.com/Career-Advice-What-are-the-real-reasons-some-people-get-promoted-and-others-dont. 1point3acres


  • Focus on *being* good, not about *convincing people* that you are good - understand the job you want. Talk to the people who have it. Read, learn, and study. Look for projects that let you exercise those skills. By the time a position opens up, you should have firm evidence that you are ready.
  • You don't become a leader by being promoted. You get promoted because you are a leader - don't sit in the corner lobbing pot shots at your "clueless" management then act bitter when you don't get invited to join them. Understand the company's projects and priorities and work to make them successful. Approach problems the same way your managers do. Lead from your current position. Don't try to convince yourself that once you change jobs you'll lead.
  • You must cross over into the dark side - when you take a leadership position, you simple can't do some of the things that you used to do. No bashing the company or other managers. Stay on message. Be ready to fire and lay people off. Make hard decisions. Get ready to tell other people why they are not getting promoted. Don't want to do those things? Then why do you want a promotion?
  • Much of what is dismissed as "politics" is simply part of the job description - being a good communicator. Being visible. Being helpful. Building relationships. You can't be a leader without doing those things. Many folks make the mistake off dismissing an entire category of soft skills as "politics," which usually reflects a misunderstanding of what managers do.
  • So stop obsessing about "politics" - yes they exist and you need to be aware of them, but treat them as the exception, not the rule. Yes, you may lose a promotion because of "politics," but if it keeps happening to you again and again, you are the problem, not politics. Does Tiger Woods stop practicing because 5% of his shots take unlucky bounces? No, he trains like hell for the other 95%.
  • The company can't read your mind - tell them what kinds of positions you want, ask how you can get trained up to be ready when they arise, and follow up. This should be an ongoing discussion with your manager during your regular 1-1's and performance reviews (you do those, right?)
  • Work hard and do a good job - you are correct that it isn't sufficient, but it absolutely is necessary. I never promote anyone who is doing badly in their current job into a new job.
  • If your company is really so truly dysfunctional that you believe none of these apply, quit - why do you want to work there anyway?
-baidu 1point3acres



Demonstrate successful leadership. This is what everyone is looking for.  Everyone.  Someone to take and carry the load.  As long as you have an experienced boss -- they will take notice.  Because what we all really need is help -- real helpgetting our initiatives done.  If you can get one of my key initiatives done for me -- not talked about, not analyzed, not discussed, but done -- you are a rockstar.Work in a hot or at least warm area of the company.  No need to promote anyone in the EOL'd products -- though it does happen.
Don't schmooze.  Just engage and be positive and respectful.  Schmoozing is a turn-off.  Instead, as you Demonstrate Leadership, also positively (never negatively) engage with your peers and colleagues outside of your small group.  Be critical as needed -- but always positive.  Naked criticism will get you worse than nowhere, it will get you in the cellar.  Your peers' feedback, even if just informal and word-of-mouth ... is critical to your promotion.Don't sell up. Yes, I know selling up sometimes "works" in Big Companies, but it doesn't really get you promoted  -- and really it's a sign you are weak.  Focus instead on selling down, and selling across.  On getting your colleagues to follow your ideas and insights.  That's how you demonstrate true leadership."Dress" for success.  I don't mean that completely literally (but yes, dress a little better than the rest, it can't hurt).  I mean act and carry yourself like someone that cares.  That always goes the extra yard.  Never look at the carpet, or yawn.  Never be late to a meeting -- ever.  Always be positive, give constructive feedback, but never destructive feedback.  Never be cocky, but be confident in what you know is correct.(Try) to Be Patient. Even if you do everything right, there can only be so many promotions.  It may take another whole year.  This isn't politics per se, but companies of any size have a finite number that can make.  Don't give it more than one extra year, but assume it will take one more cycle than it should.Ask.  Ask your boss how and what it will take to get promoted.  If you don't ask, you probably won't get.  Just be ready to get some tough feedback when you ask, and be ready to grow, change, and learn.Working Hard and Doing a Good Job Is Insufficient. Again, promotion in Big Cos and tech companies of any scale is about leadership, and in many cases, management.  You'll get well paid if you work hard and do a good job.  You just won't get promoted all that far.

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 楼主| modifiedname 2016-4-29 00:12:57 | 只看该作者
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表面的客气

作为IC技术达人,你可能经常看见别人做傻事,然后语气严厉的指出,.--
结果就是以后人家有什么事儿就躲着不给你知道了。

解法:
永远说:你说的很有道理,在某某情况下的确是这样的。我有一个可能很傻的点子,你们看看行不行哈,就是blah blah blah....
Yeah you are right, it makes sense when ABC..... This may be a stupid idea, but let's see if it makes sense.....

哪怕大家理智上能一眼看穿你的伎俩,emotional brain却已经消停,没有引起愤恨。

记住,假定你选择的团队还基本合理,那么没人真的是傻子。They get where they are today for a reason. You may not have seen it yet.
即使号称meritocracy,鼓励toestepping的公司,也需要花费至少大量精力来平息人们的情绪,tread lightly.

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markeey 2016-5-14 04:55:15 | 只看该作者
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Thanks for sharing the information. It's helpful for new grads!
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releo 2016-5-20 11:52:33 | 只看该作者
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K姐,不知道这么称呼对不对,可能我更老些。 这个讨论特别好,我其实一直也在想,我们到底往哪个方向走,技术geek 只是很少的一部分人,作为一个SDE, 下一步到底怎么走才能真正的make impact。我的感觉技术永远没有人重要,一切的关键还是人。如果现在公司大老板把我叫去,说我可以给你promotion,但是你想做什么,我觉得完全没有答案啊,不知道K姐想过这个问题不
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 楼主| modifiedname 2016-5-20 12:50:55 | 只看该作者
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我肯定比较老额。关键是人和impact吧。我知道我要做什么。但是不知道怎么搞政治。做事的想法和计划,我非常清楚。需要说服别人同意我的设计。当然事情跟人和软技能是分不开的。过两个月看看吧。我也没有明确答案。正在摸索前行
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releo 2016-5-20 19:30:45 | 只看该作者
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Impact最终还是人来感觉人来决定的,不然做的很好的产品,别人也可以硬说这是trivial的。我熟悉的一个manager,不过不是我的老板建议说,想把别人挤下来占到那个位置是很难的,最快的办法是开创一个新的东西,给自己创造新职位。不过这个也有被人抢credit的风险了
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