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地里同学很多也不再是new grad,从最初的有份工作就好,很快会转而考虑如何最大化自己的成长,钱途,和谋求更多发展。

除了写代码,还有什么可以做的?
如何开会,如何组织会议,如何给talk,如何好好故事,如何说服别人,达到你的目的?

在工作岗位也会涉及要求升职,换组,跳槽,negotiate salary. check 1point3acres for more.
在公司遇到不靠谱的老板,不靠谱的同事,如何抗争不公正待遇?
什么是PIP?有什么先兆?PIP了怎么办?

在大公司做几年也会考虑进(early stage)startup
或者业余做自己的项目
或者干脆开自己的startup

秉承一贯,开贴记录一下一些学习过程,欢迎讨论

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level up checklist:
https://www.quora.com/Is-staying ... -good-career-choice
edmond Lau的那篇非常不错
关键字:impact, 我个人理解是,选正确的方向去使劲,事半功倍

1- You build tools and abstractions that multiply the output of the engineering teams around you. For example, Jeff Dean, through his contributions to Protocol Buffers, MapReduce, BigTable, Spanner, and other systems infrastructure, has increased the output of other engineers at Google by over an order of magnitude. It’s no wonder why Google created the engineering level of Senior Google Fellow essentially for him.
写工具,做抽象,让别人用你的工具大大提高工作效率

2- You develop sufficient expertise to consult on software or experiment designs from other engineering teams, and your feedback is valuable enough that it shaves days or weeks worth of work or it turns key projects from failures into successes.
咨询:你的专业经验和建议能给别人帮忙,让别人做事效率更高

3- You become an expert on a deep, technical field that is material to a growing company. For example, you become a machine learning expert and then work on news feed ranking at Facebook, ads ranking at Google, or search ranking at Airbnb. The projects you ship directly translate into growth and revenue for the company.
在某专业领域成为专家,这个领域能让公司级数增长,文中例子是机器学习

4- You identify a critical business opportunity, perhaps by working with the sales and business teams, and you become part of the founding team within the company to build out a product to address that need.
找出商业需求,跟销售或者商业部门合作,自己开team做出产品来满足需求

5- You build out onboarding and mentoring programs to teach and train other engineers, and you make them significantly more valuable members of the team.
帮助训练新人,比如做培训项目等,让新人能快速上手

6- You play a key role in building out a solid hiring process, and you help recruit and close engineering hires.
让招人过程更快速可靠

7- You make significant contributions to building the engineering brand for your company. For example, if diversity is a strong part of your engineering brand, you may move forward the state of diversity in hiring in the industry.
建立公司eng口碑,这个看公司,文中例子是diversity,可能特别适合女的或者其他族裔去搞。小公司的话,多去给talk发paper写blog post 就比较显眼。

总结就是:光自己写代码快还不够,要产生重大影响,重要途径:
1. 不光自己快、好,要让别人也快、好(文中的1,2,5,6)
2. 做正确的事情(3,4)
3. 帮助建立品牌,形象(7)

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1. try to be the boss's friend - i know it sounds low, and damnit, i hate doing this from multiple levels, but you gotta.
is he a foodie? artist? gamer? as long as it is not sth you detest, do it. talk to him about it.

2. schedule 1-1s with teammates, do the same

3. schedule 1-1s with people in neighbor teams (if you are eng, get to good terms with PM/design/ds)

4. schedule 1-1s with similar teams (if you are eng in team A, get to know eng in team B, C, D...)
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9. never bad mouth/complain. 1point3acres

dont' expect to keep your head down and just code --- that's not how rain is made or how businesses are done.

i don't care how many hrs of code you write and how tired you may get - if you are not spending x hrs building visibility/connections, you are doing it wrong. Manage image/perception/expectation, it's just as important as, if not more important than your code base.

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继续厚黑

让老板开心:
如果你跟老板对技术问题有不同意见怎么办?
你必须揣摩老板的心理,除非你对自己的某些能力特别有把握,default position必须是:您说的对,就按您说的办,您考虑的比我周全多了,学习到了!

如果老板真的说错了怎么办?
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-- i am not being ironic, this is just how it works

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你觉得你带了大公司的先进技术去小地方,然后发现他们的东西好像一坨****怎么办?
要说:
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另外一方面:公司还小的时候,东西做的不高级这个很正常,的确没法一上来就用最严格最高大上的办法,因为小公司必须权衡很多地方的问题,你看见的这个问题,只是整盘棋里面很小的一个棋子。
对你来说这就是你的全部,对公司来说,这个不过是一个blip.

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make as many friends as possible
both verbal and nonverbal communication skills
我的弱点:喜好都写在脸上。对策:pavlok 提醒给poker face
如果给老板提的建议不被采纳,你需要把建议描绘成这其实是老板的点子,和他点子的延伸。让他拿这个credit,你可以成为老板的心腹,左右手。
保证交流畅通:让对方复述和确认双方同意的事情。
知己知彼:熟悉彼此的长处和弱点,注意交互过程当中的效果。大家经常容易只关注对方的问题,而忽略自身的问题。
压力的对策:meditate, exercise, slow down.
office politics 是无法避免的。repeat: 是无法避免的,不要指望靠换工作来解决问题。
熟悉环境:在公司的每个层次都广交朋友,不要流于空泛,别人当然也会找你帮忙,所以,做好准备帮忙。入职马上搞清楚org chart,心里也画好Power chart,搞清楚每个层次打算认识谁。
keep your friends close and enemies closer (虽然很难,但是看我前老板的的确确是这么干的,天天跟他死敌坐一起,经常一起吃饭)
观察敌人的做事方式,敌人目前的,掌握对方的动向
tunnel vision: 只看见自己想看见的事情 - let go of your personal interest and see the bigger picture -- 这是我的很大弱点,
着眼公司大局,figure out where "I" fit in. 对自己有利,对公司不利的决策很容易被阻挠。-- 我的弱点是相反,我太喜欢“大局”考虑。以后需要从win-win里面找出让自己win更多的解法。
有人会拿着自己的工作来问你意见:他们不是真的觉得你牛逼,是打算占你便宜,让你白做事他们偷取成果。绝对不用私下告诉任何人任何事情。在上家公司我总是被这种情况玩的死死的。纠结原因,越是觉得自己有牛逼之处不被重用,越是容易犯这个错误。正确办法是多做公开的信息传播,比如讲课,give talks, brownbags, write wikis, readmes, design docs, never forget to CC boss and the team.
credit小偷来的时候,问老板,说谁谁让你具体做什么什么。识别假朋友,披着狼皮的羊
假装支持你做冒险的事情:如果真的有他们说的那么好,他们干嘛自己不去做(前同事Y,对我做过n次这种事情)。
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以上玩心理战术的经常还是领导,尤其需要小心(前老板做过这种事情,对别人,也对我。。。)"内心要强大“
有些人会假装给建议说”你太。。。“或者”不够。。。“其实是试图让你放弃自己优势
Be assertive: 不必羞于说自己的成就,偏好和长处。该拒绝的事情要拒绝。
”我答应他们你会做这件事“ -- 不是你自己同意的事情,不用做。别人没权利替你答应
不要为了让他人高兴而答应做某事。. check 1point3acres for more.
无论多生气,不必显山露水。dont take it personally
Don't take sides. 让别人自己去决断。
建立在老板心中的印象
Stay out of gossip。如果不想多说,温柔的转换话题
Keep written record of everything.


read 孙子兵法

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到最后,你做不做已经不重要了,老板发现,你确实只会造轮子,但是你的价值远远超
过一个只知道在车库里早车轮的人。

谈的过程中,要注意给别人也透露信息,让别人减少对你的敌意。另外,目标可能觉得
太好而太不真实,但是你完全可以利用这两天谈到的信息,先给老板一个雏形的定位,
只要他认为你有潜力,不是一个只知道闭门造车的人,就好了。
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https://www.quora.com/Career-Advice-What-are-the-real-reasons-some-people-get-promoted-and-others-dont


  • Focus on *being* good, not about *convincing people* that you are good - understand the job you want. Talk to the people who have it. Read, learn, and study. Look for projects that let you exercise those skills. By the time a position opens up, you should have firm evidence that you are ready.
  • You don't become a leader by being promoted. You get promoted because you are a leader - don't sit in the corner lobbing pot shots at your "clueless" management then act bitter when you don't get invited to join them. Understand the company's projects and priorities and work to make them successful. Approach problems the same way your managers do. Lead from your current position. Don't try to convince yourself that once you change jobs you'll lead.
  • You must cross over into the dark side - when you take a leadership position, you simple can't do some of the things that you used to do. No bashing the company or other managers. Stay on message. Be ready to fire and lay people off. Make hard decisions. Get ready to tell other people why they are not getting promoted. Don't want to do those things? Then why do you want a promotion?
  • Much of what is dismissed as "politics" is simply part of the job description - being a good communicator. Being visible. Being helpful. Building relationships. You can't be a leader without doing those things. Many folks make the mistake off dismissing an entire category of soft skills as "politics," which usually reflects a misunderstanding of what managers do.
  • So stop obsessing about "politics" - yes they exist and you need to be aware of them, but treat them as the exception, not the rule. Yes, you may lose a promotion because of "politics," but if it keeps happening to you again and again, you are the problem, not politics. Does Tiger Woods stop practicing because 5% of his shots take unlucky bounces? No, he trains like hell for the other 95%.
  • The company can't read your mind - tell them what kinds of positions you want, ask how you can get trained up to be ready when they arise, and follow up. This should be an ongoing discussion with your manager during your regular 1-1's and performance reviews (you do those, right?)
  • Work hard and do a good job - you are correct that it isn't sufficient, but it absolutely is necessary. I never promote anyone who is doing badly in their current job into a new job.
  • If your company is really so truly dysfunctional that you believe none of these apply, quit - why do you want to work there anyway?
    . From 1point 3acres bbs




Demonstrate successful leadership. This is what everyone is looking for.  Everyone.  Someone to take and carry the load.  As long as you have an experienced boss -- they will take notice.  Because what we all really need is help -- real helpgetting our initiatives done.  If you can get one of my key initiatives done for me -- not talked about, not analyzed, not discussed, but done -- you are a rockstar.Work in a hot or at least warm area of the company.  No need to promote anyone in the EOL'd products -- though it does happen.
Don't schmooze.  Just engage and be positive and respectful.  Schmoozing is a turn-off.  Instead, as you Demonstrate Leadership, also positively (never negatively) engage with your peers and colleagues outside of your small group.  Be critical as needed -- but always positive.  Naked criticism will get you worse than nowhere, it will get you in the cellar.  Your peers' feedback, even if just informal and word-of-mouth ... is critical to your promotion.Don't sell up. Yes, I know selling up sometimes "works" in Big Companies, but it doesn't really get you promoted  -- and really it's a sign you are weak.  Focus instead on selling down, and selling across.  On getting your colleagues to follow your ideas and insights.  That's how you demonstrate true leadership."Dress" for success.  I don't mean that completely literally (but yes, dress a little better than the rest, it can't hurt).  I mean act and carry yourself like someone that cares.  That always goes the extra yard.  Never look at the carpet, or yawn.  Never be late to a meeting -- ever.  Always be positive, give constructive feedback, but never destructive feedback.  Never be cocky, but be confident in what you know is correct.(Try) to Be Patient. Even if you do everything right, there can only be so many promotions.  It may take another whole year.  This isn't politics per se, but companies of any size have a finite number that can make.  Don't give it more than one extra year, but assume it will take one more cycle than it should.Ask.  Ask your boss how and what it will take to get promoted.  If you don't ask, you probably won't get.  Just be ready to get some tough feedback when you ask, and be ready to grow, change, and learn.Working Hard and Doing a Good Job Is Insufficient. Again, promotion in Big Cos and tech companies of any scale is about leadership, and in many cases, management.  You'll get well paid if you work hard and do a good job.  You just won't get promoted all that far.

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表面的客气

作为IC技术达人,你可能经常看见别人做傻事,然后语气严厉的指出,
结果就是以后人家有什么事儿就躲着不给你知道了。

解法:
永远说:你说的很有道理,在某某情况下的确是这样的。我有一个可能很傻的点子,你们看看行不行哈,就是blah blah blah....
Yeah you are right, it makes sense when ABC..... This may be a stupid idea, but let's see if it makes sense.....

哪怕大家理智上能一眼看穿你的伎俩,emotional brain却已经消停,没有引起愤恨。-baidu 1point3acres

记住,假定你选择的团队还基本合理,那么没人真的是傻子。They get where they are today for a reason. You may not have seen it yet.
即使号称meritocracy,鼓励toestepping的公司,也需要花费至少大量精力来平息人们的情绪,tread lightly.

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negotiate offer: never tell them what your current salary is. NEVER

短暂工作经历,(<3m)
简历上可以不写,免得麻烦 (刚在其他版看见的)

Teamwork:
永远不要偷偷做好事,有贡献,帮助别人的时候必须大张旗鼓给老板和所有人看见。
如果你写帮助文档,里面的例子code, 截屏别忘记全用自己的账号或者机器名,让以后看见的人怎么都忘不掉这是你写的。

自我表扬和表扬别人当然需要大张旗鼓,发email什么的到处让人看见
公开谈功劳,别忘记摆摆姿态,说we accomplished blah...口头给别人功劳和赞誉,不要吝啬。
私下绝对别忘记改口说 I did blah.... 别说虚伪,你不这么干你就被别人阴。

有技术绝活是否教给别人:
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党同伐异:
拉拢战友,但是别轻信谁,你同事不见得是你的挚友,别期望太多。不抢你功劳的已经是本分,如果能相互promote的那就是职场非常难得的了,值得好好培养关系。
无论在任何地方工作,看看周围,有没有牛人,有谁是将来你离职创业,想去求合作的人?(一般是人品技术都赞的),如果有,请搞好关系。




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发信人: datoug (datoug), 信区: JobHunting
标  题: 总结一下在硅谷码农圈混的几点经验
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jun 13 00:05:31 2017, 美东)

在硅谷码农圈混了将近十年了,总结一下我的经验吧,希望对有些人能有点帮助

1. 提高自己表达的能力。英文是一方面,但更重要的是逻辑性。有些老中说话说的飞
快,但没什么逻辑性,所以讨论问题的时候非常吃亏。而且,我建议英文不是母语的人
,说话一定要故意放慢。还有是要掌握一些专业或者是idiomatic的说法。比如我同事
有次想表达自己fix了一个deep/shallow copy的bug,说了十分钟老美们还是一脸蒙蔽
,我就猜着问了一句是不是shallow copy的问题,大家立马全明白了。

2. Leadership。这个东西在北美混实在太重要了,也是我们老中很多缺乏的。这个东
西对老美烙印来说是从小上学就培养的,对老中来说先天不足,很多人也不知道怎么锻
炼。我的经验有几点,第一,多管闲事,不管是不是自己的模块都去关心一下。第二,
能来事儿,比如说自己搞一个东西搞了几个月终于明白了,别藏着掖着,搞个talk,最
好是给更大team的。第三,找mentor,当mentor。找公司混的比较好的级别高的做自己
的mentor,公司来了新人多帮帮新人,如果可以给新人当mentor。 总体来说,就是一
定要花时间干些自己本职工作之外的事儿。

3. Build自己的career。说白了就是刷简历。做任何一个项目,都要想这个项目能给自
己带来什么。这个可以是多方面的,如果是一个新项目,那很有可能将来做tech lead
或者manager。也有可能项目是现在业界最火的(比如无人车),这种项目一定抢着做。

4. 要自信。很多老中天生不自信,老是揪着自己的缺点。我和组里的老中同事1/1的时
候,同事基本都是自我批评,但是这同事实际上做的非常不错。用哈佛商学院的一句警
句就是,不管任何时候,都要无条件的自信。大家细细体会什么叫无条件的自信。

5.最后一条有点鸡汤了。多做自己喜欢做的事儿。有些人说我天生不喜欢写code可还是
搞了码农这一行。没关系。首先,码农这一行不一定全是写code,你还要design,做
ppt,和别的组沟通(PM)等等,肯定有你比较喜欢的一块。另外,没有人的工作是100%
喜欢的,明白这一点降低自己的期望也很重要。

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what to say when you leave a job?

you dont have to tell them where you are going to
you definitely don't want to bitch and whine and tell them why you are leaving (which almost always reflects badly on your boss)
don't burn bridges
always say: it's not you, it's me - -- a vague reason like "it's time to move on" is perfectly fine

Find something good to say about your old place, and say this like you mean it
after all, no matter what, any place would have some shiny points that are worth bragging about.

if you think you might be of value to your ex-employer, make it known too -- it is even possible that they value you so much, that you get hired back as consultant and earn much higher rate.

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Counter offer: accept or not?

99% of the case: no.

only very very rare cases would a counteroffer work out -- i have seen them. . 1point3acres

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Counter offer: accept or not?

99% of the case: no.

我就是拒了counter offer 虽然工资比新的还要高很多,但是学到的东西略微有限
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可以毁约吗?
答案是:可以:

你的人生你做主,雇主可以rescind offer 你也可以毁约不去
quote quora:
As a general rule, be professional, but don't feel sorry for companies. Your employer is a big part of your world while you are there, but you are just one employee to them.

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如何要求涨工资?

无论你老板懂不懂具体技术细节:技术高级不重要,instead, sell你的贡献. check 1point3acres for more.
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花时间promote自己

假定你写代码之前要写design doc
那么你ship之后就需要写自吹自擂的东西,做各种记录和宣传。
it is not optional 没有用吹牛来结尾的项目,等于你没做。
宣传完了这个功劳也未必是你的,但是假定你不去到处宣传,你这个项目就等于完全没做。

如果在这个公司还有上升空间,你还打算待一阵子,那么花在self promotion上的时间,精力和思考,应该大于所有其他加起来。

具体宣传方式取决于公司习惯
有的地方,你要写slides到处去讲---记住,真正黄金白银的技术细节必须语焉不详,别人看了也no f***ing way能复制。但是吹牛的部分,请用尽你的全部方法,让它看起来牛逼,影响巨大,给公司和你老板带来了多大多大好处。哪怕你心里有半点的退缩,你就已经输了。

有的地方你需要发论文

有的地方需要写white paper (记住语焉不详)

有的地方写blog post
. check 1point3acres for more.
有的地方可以开讲座
. From 1point 3acres bbs
重要的事情说三遍:
没有用吹牛来结尾的项目,等于你没做。
没有用吹牛来结尾的项目,等于你没做。
没有用吹牛来结尾的项目,等于你没做。

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