（转自blind）12年老🐶发帖：谷歌本来就不是什么dreamland

转自blind，谷歌一开始就不是什么dreamland：

Been at Google for >12 years now and I'm honestly confused about the amount of posts portraying the company as some sort of corporate Disneyland before the layoffs or Ruth.

Throughout the years I've witnessed:
- Multiple directors openly sharing porn content on Groups
- A manager slapping a reportee across the face during a HH
- A "Head of" sexually harassing multiple ICs across the office for YEARS without consequence
- An IC getting morally harassed for months on end until the day he got fired, which included a walk of shame being escorted by HR/security
- A director calling an IC a "dumbass" in the middle of the office, dude got reported to HR/compliance by multiple people. IC got fired a few months later, director is still at Google to this day with a much larger scope
- A "Head of" openly flirting with a reportee, who went on to become a manager soon after (shocker)

Google has been a pretty standard corporate hell for as long as I can remember. Sure the walls are colorful and there's free food, but this whole idea that it was a dreamland is beyond my understanding. I always saw it as just another corporatation with a decent pay.

Add to that the whole perf/Grad joke, which is obviously meant to hinder career development as opposed to being a growth tool. I find it hilarious that some folks here are mad at co-workers who aren't motivated to work hard when the company has a system in place designed to reward resting and vesting.

All you have to do is not f*** up at your job and you get promoted to the next level after 2.5/3 years as long as there's scope. Working hard MIGHT speed that up by 6 months or so at the cost of your WLB, but def not worth it. The only way you can really ignite your progress is by sucking some high level up, which doesn't require hard work but rather knowing how to navigate corporate politics.

I've seen folks handling 25%+ of the volume of a team of 30+ ICs getting a CME, while professional coasters who send pretty emails but work 4hs/week get promoted. There's absolutely ZERO incentives to work hard as discretionary funds are a joke, even if you invent the new Gmail all you'll get is an O, a pat on the back and a ~10% boost on your annual TC at most. Good luck keeping up to your new level of expectations when you try to go for promo a whole year from now.

Obviously the exec team is aware, hence why there's a quota for SCIs now and getting a SCI/MI feels like having a huge target on your back. Stressing people out is the only way to get folks to work extra hard in this idiotic system.

Want my tip to succeed at Google? Don't break anything, have a good relationship with your manager, always take any piece of feedback with a positive attitude, and just do the bare minimum of what's required from you until you get to the 2/2.5 year mark at your current level. At that point try to get involved in a project with a larger scope, overcommunicate the shit out of it to all senior managers/directors on your org in a way that makes THEM look good, get promoted, rinse and repeat.

Working super hard before you're close to promo it's just a waste of time/effort and will raise the bar of what's expected of you, plus the monetary incentive is basically non-existant. Let's stop bootlicking billionaire execs, collect our money and focus on living our lives.

补充内容 (2023-02-13 14:31 +8:00):
升职那段太真实。 就是排队拿L+1 scope的project。

🐶家的perf系统一开始就系统性的鼓励躺平。

补充内容 (2023-02-13 14:38 +8:00):
只要跟manager搞好关系，会刷visibility，躺平🐶也能升职。

补充内容 (2023-02-13 14:52 +8:00):
总结一下要点：
1. 如果被上级性骚扰/欺负的话，举报HR没用，还可能被开除。
2. Perf/升职不总是公平的。跟manager关系是关键。
3. 要升职的话，平时不用太努力，重要的是跟manager搞好关系，排队拿L+1 scope的project，别搞砸了刷好visibility就可以升职。


补充内容 (2023-02-15 13:44 +8:00):
求大佬赐米～ 跳槽的时候可以用到

chatgpt 总结版

总的来说，作者已经在谷歌工作了12年多，并且反驳了谷歌是一个企业乐园的观点。他们回忆了自己目睹的不当行为和骚扰，并将谷歌视为一个具有良好工资的典型企业环境。表现评估系统（称为"perf / Grad玩笑"）被视为阻碍职业发展并奖励那些仅仅做到最低限度的人。作者建议，在谷歌成功的最佳方法是避免犯错误，与经理建立良好的关系，并等到您在目前的水平上工作2-2.5年后再寻求晋升，通过参与更大范围的项目并向高级经理和导演进行过度沟通。作者认为，在达到2-2.5年的标准之前努力工作只是浪费时间和精力，而且没有显著的金融激励。

狗家牛逼的从来不是 eng 而是 pr

深有同感。都是论资排辈排队拿能promote的project。早年我自愿996提前完成所有任务、帮组里debug修那些没人愿意看的bug，然而卵用没有，新来几个月内reorg了几次，新安排的manager们连给两个CME；等我那个项目做好了我觉得可以promote了结果只给了个EE. Org里的TL们每人都记了一笔黑帐，等review的时候就拿出来各种找茬：更senior的组员们在bug comment里聊天都没人管，我某个bug评论“不准确”就被挑出来作为deny promo的“证据”之一。

升职那段写的挺好的
我没想到会有harrasment这种事半公开发生，太可怕了

离开狗两年了 说的确实不错 就是个pr好的个大公司而已 大公司通病狗都有

匿名用户 发表于 2023-2-13 02:12
深有同感。都是论资排辈排队拿能promote的project。早年我自愿996提前完成所有任务、帮组里debug修那些没人 ...

好奇问一句你跳槽了吗？

组里渣男性骚扰和PUA到上班如上坟是我离开狗家的原因之一，然后渣男还升职了lol

匿名用户 发表于 2023-2-14 21:29
组里渣男性骚扰和PUA到上班如上坟是我离开狗家的原因之一，然后渣男还升职了lol

有没有尝试换一个组。

真实，升职突出一个consistently performing at next level, 意思是拿着L的钱即使有L+1的能力也得连续一年做L+1的活才可能给升，这期间还得祈祷能拿到L+1是scope的项目，如果手上项目scope没达到做的事情再多都没用，谁还有动力做事情啊，做了也是白做，最佳选择就是如主楼说的划水排队等项目