OPT延长至24个月政策急需你的支持评论 否则很可能失败！！！

事关重大！！！！！！涉及所有在美国以及将要来美国留学的学生，如果不知道什么情况，请看W大的普及帖：重大消息：OPT要延期24个月，公示阶段大家马上行动来支持!

还有最后1天！！！数量还不够！不到最后一刻,什么事情都有可能反复!!!大家坚持住！加油!!!

大家快去评论吧！！！（最后冲刺阶段！评论需要审核时间，大概4－5，然后你就能看到里，不要动摇！[b]每天至少一条！不要COPY别人的，要自己写，最起码要有改动！可以去反驳反对的评论，你就有针对性和想法了！[/b]提醒大家尽量以美国公民的立场来评论，即ＯＰＴ延期给自己国家带来了什么切实的好处！）

转自Ｗ大：有朋友说有在美帝政府帮助整理评论的经验：如果写评论的话，最好的是合理条例清晰的有理有据，这样regulator会认真读。简单的喊两声支持，是绝对会被忽略的！

Improvingand Expanding Training Opportunities for F-1 Nonimmigrant StudentsWith STEM Degrees and Cap-Gap Relief for All Eligible F-1 Students

点击右边绿色的“SUBMITA FORMAL COMMENT”按钮，填写你的评论，然后提交，都不用注册！多么简单！多么简单！多么简单！！！

大家直接用直接用Chrome 的incognito mode（隐私模式）来提交评论，防止评论被后端过滤掉。 Ｃhrome右上角点开选择new incognito window），每次打开新的incognito window，这样cookie会被自动清理掉，以免我们辛辛苦苦写的comment被过滤掉。
[技术流] 如何防止你对OPT Extension的评论被过滤
http://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/thread-147341-1-1.html


一个教你如何进入Incognito Mode的帖子，里面有各种方法适用于各种浏览器：
http://www.wikihow.com/Activate-Incognito-Mode

现在中国和印度兄弟姐妹的评论逐渐多起来了，很多同学应该能看到自己的评论了，但还远远不够！！！大家加油！让反对声音淹没在我们的支持声中！！！

这个网站做的很好！点我提交评论！

建议大家换名字多提交几条，至于名字（美国名字 中国名字都可以啦），可以试试这个工具，姓名随机生成器网站！

目前，评论页面上的负面评论越来越多，美国水军在不断刷屏，大家不要掉以轻心！！！ 可以参考这个帖子OPT延期出现大量负面评论!

这次的24个月政策不是板上钉钉的事儿！！！至少我们在支持的评论数量上要压过对方！如果反对团体在质疑DHS的时候，DHS起码可以拿出一些材料来反驳他们，而“我们的支持评论”就是最好的材料！！！所以支持评论的数量一定要上去！坚持到11月18号晚11点59分59秒！还有10天！中国水军在世界上应该是战无不胜的！！！

如果这个政策不能通过，DHS在短期内无法迅速再采取措施反驳上次法院的OPT延期失效判决，明年2月份OPTEXTENSION就没有了！届时将有以“万”为单位的国际学生受到影响！

请大家联系自己认识的所有印度哥们姐们！告诉他们利害关系！让他们也加入战团！

在U.S.的STEM中国学生数量庞大，为什么评论数只有区区几千？除了不知道该信息和看不到地里文章的同学以外，我认为可能有以下一些原因：

1.认为DHS都发公告了，只是走个形式，肯定没问题了。  ！！！错！！！

A：真的不是走形式！！！这公告是流程的一部分，你的评论也是其中的一部分，在DHS没有最后裁决前谁都不知道结果，我们一定要做好我们能做的，促使RULE通过！请看第2条！

2. 在哪里评论呢？不知道啊？

A：页面在这里！Improvingand Expanding Training Opportunities for F-1 Nonimmigrant StudentsWith STEM Degrees and Cap-Gap Relief for All Eligible F-1 Students

点击右边绿色的“SUBMITA FORMAL COMMENT”按钮，填写你的评论，然后提交，都不用注册！多么简单！多么简单！多么简单！！！（提交评论后可能需要第二天才能在下面的评论页面看到自己的评论）

如果你想看看其他人写了什么评论找找灵感，或者反驳那些反对的评论，地址在这里：请猛点我 ！

请看第3条！

3. 不知道写些什么呀？

A：这里给个简单模版,要清晰地写明里面SUPPORT，然后列出原因:（作为潜在的留美学生（Potential Student）也是一个很好的出发点，分析OPT延期和其他国家留学政策的吸引力）

I strongly SUPPORTthe proposal for the following reasons:

1. The governmentshould let the students who learned knowledge from U.S. universitiesstay in the country and let them keep making contributions to theU.S..

2. Diversity is veryimportant for the U.S….., 很多牛人在美国取得重大成就之前都是美国的国际学生，等等。。。

3. Competition doesexist, but is not a bad thing.很多国际学生并没有拿着低工资去抢美国公民的饭碗，是那些岗位找不到合适的本国人。竞争可以帮助美国选拔更好的人才，提升所有人的平均水平，无论国际学生还是本国学生，可以更好地提高美国在全球的竞争力。。。

还有更多思路，请参考这2篇文章

OPTNEW STEM 10/19正式进入公示!!!!!!!，准备好评论吧小伙伴们

如何轻松愉快的去为OPT extension灌一瓢水 (附带条款解读)

4. H1B和GreenCard Holder说：这与我无关了！

A：确实没有直接的关系了，但其中大部分人都是从OPT一步一步走过的，你们的力量也十分重要与珍贵！支持一下也可以为你们今后的生活增加善业（GoodKarma）！

最后，大家快去评论吧！！！（最后冲刺阶段！每天至少一条！不要COPY别人的，要自己写，最起码要有改动！可以去反驳反对的评论，你就有针对性和想法了！）

Improvingand Expanding Training Opportunities for F-1 Nonimmigrant StudentsWith STEM Degrees and Cap-Gap Relief for All Eligible F-1 Students

点击右边绿色的“SUBMITA FORMAL COMMENT”按钮，填写你的评论，然后提交，都不用注册！多么简单！多么简单！多么简单！！！

建议大家换名字多提交几条，至于名字（美国名字 中国名字都可以啦），可以试试这个工具，姓名随机生成器网站！

大家也可以把本帖转到MITBBS，文学城等大的华人论坛，大家都会支持的。另外如果大家知道任何印度人常逛的论坛也可以转发。团结一切可以团结的力量才是王道！

大家要有组织的行动
1. 我去后台加几个活跃的同学做斑竹。你们负责一个comment tracking number加100大米（每人仅限一次） - 谢谢@abc_12345的提议
2. 我会把这个帖子全局置顶，并且会给论坛所有成员发短信提醒
3. 力量要集中！信息要集中！请大家集中在这个帖子里回复，建高楼。地里其他好帖子，我把回复也整过来

需要大家做下面的事情：
1. 在这个帖子里把你的comment贴出来，拿出当年托福和GRE作文互改的精神，相互修改comments，语言表述要清楚，内容不要太极端，之后发掉
2. 之前地里有位同学说发动房东去写，房东是美国人，收中国学生房租，利益直接相关。这个角非常好。
3. 要质量而不是单纯看数量！！请看一下下楼这位同学的长篇。
4. 我写好了帖子，会在我的微信公众号里发出。请大家在微信里转发 - 这个扩散力度最强！！请务必转发，而且号召你认识的所有人去转发，这样才有效应！！
我的公众号在末尾有二维码，或者搜索

待会继续更新
更新：

已经添加 @sskiso @austurela @闲庭听雨 @wsmjmiisme 作为版主，拜托四位同学负责管理！
把其他几个帖子合并在这个下面了
微信公众号文章已发！小伙伴们，看你们扩散了，看你们行动了，大家在这个贴子里抱团！讨论办法、修改评论 etc，各尽其力
有读者告诉我：鉴于本人有在美帝政府帮助整理评论的经验，如果写评论的话，最好的是合理条例清晰的有理有据，这样regulator会认真读。不然的话，就超级大量刷舆论吧。简单的喊两声支持，是绝对会被忽略的。。

＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
公众号二维码如下，或者搜索　Warald_1point3acres






.1point3acres

我写的comment：

It is unjust, shortsighted and against the interest of American people to deprive international students' legal right to work in US after graduation simply because they are not citizens. In addition, the belief that minimum wages cannot get raised because there are too many international students are also unreasonable and against fact. I am strongly convinced that allowing international students to prosper in the US would bring in far more jobs than the number saved by driving them out.

International students are making huge contributions to our country. Immigrant-founded Fortune 500 companies employed 3.6 million workers around the world in 2011 and were responsible for more than $1.7 trillion in revenues in 2010, according to the Partnership For A New American Economy (http://www.renewoureconomy.org/sites/all/themes/pnae/img/new-american-fortune-500-june-2011.pdf). Most international students work in scientific and technology, and many of them are among the best in their fields. STEM are fields critical for the US to ace at in order to continue its leadership in the world. Each year, h1b holders pay more than 27%, and often more than 30% of their salary to the federal, and even more to the federal and the state. This money is used in increasing the medical and other welfare of American people.

International students have nearly nothing to do with the minimum wage. Almost all international students obtain their OPT in order to get an H1B visa, which requires the worker to meet a minimum salary standard that is far higher than the minimum wage level. For example, the minimum hourly pay standard for H1b holder is $24.16 in Albany, NY, and NY state has a minimum wage limit of $9.00. This is not even near! In fact, an international student needs about 3 times the salary of the minimum pay to stay in the US, and the payment is usually far higher than this because they usually work on comparatively rewarding positions like software engineer/developer.

On top of this, international students have very little responsibility for the current salary level in software and Internet industry. I am not an economist, but I work in the computer industry. My observation is that the main obstacle of a faster salary rise in this industry is outsourcing, not international students. Programmers who are educated outside America and mostly work outside America earn surprisingly low wages: some earn less than $10,000 per year and they can do the same thing (although usually in lower quality) American programmers do! They are the ones who steal our jobs and bring down our salary. What about international students? If they achieved a bachelor or master’s degree in the US, usually they have spent more than $100,000 in education. It is not reasonable to assume that they could accept low pay, given that they have already invested so much. International students are by no means cheap labor.

Rejecting international students would gain us a short-term, illusive relief that there might be temporarily fewer competitors in the job market. However, this short-term satisfaction would be at the cost of long-term benefits of American people and would cause the US to lose ground to the countries that welcome these students. STEM students go back to their country or go to other welcoming countries if rejected by the US. They will devote to scientific research, entrepreneurship, public policy and other fields that empower and create jobs for the country they serve for. Brain is power and it is a great loss to drive our highly educated brains to other countries. By ousting their talents America is creating the next Alibaba, not the next facebook!

What is worse, I believe the American salary level would be severely BROUGHT DOWN rather than driven up by this decision. On the contrary, let them stay will INCREASE not decrease jobs. Companies ship the jobs to India, China and many other countries with lower pay if they cannot hire enough high quality workers in the US, or if the cost of hiring a US worker is too high. On top of this, international students create more jobs by opening companies. According to Kauffman foundation, Immigrants were almost twice as likely to start businesses in 2012 as native-born Americans, and bout one-quarter of the engineering and technology companies started in the United States between 2006–2012 had at least one key founder who was an immigrant. Closing the door is not a good way to preserve jobs and increase wages. It will only cause more outsourcing and destroy our tech industry, and then our economy. Open the door and welcome talents all over the world! We will gain far more than we lose.

Admitted, international students’ participation in the job market itself would increase competition in the short term. You may find it harder to get into Google or Facebook because there are more talented people in the pool. However, if we reject them simply because of this, we should not educate our children at all – every college graduate enters the job market to increase competition. In the long term, competition increases efficiency, accelerates development and benefits us all. Do not let irrational fear of competition ruin our true interest.

American people are wise enough not to harm our long-term benefits by irrational fear and temporary, illusive satisfactions. International students are helping America grow, and are improving the welfare of American people. Losing them, on the other hand, will benefit our competitors and harm US interest. I strongly believe we should pass this proposal and pass more bills in the congress that could make it easier for the international students to stay.

DHS Docket No. ICEB-2015-0002。 请自由地取用论点和论据。不需要像我写这么长，我只是觉得应该有一些比较长的回复，但我们也要注意数量，多水！反对方也没有多少过硬的论据，无非宣泄情绪而已。

As a US citizen, I personally think OPT program abuse is too prevailing to be acceptable for US public. However, I do believe there should be common ground as US should retain talented foreign students while preventing abuse
Therefore I suggest the new OPT rule should be improved by these steps:

1) very clear and high enough prevailing wage requirement for employers to recruit students on OPT
2) set up a black list of companies that abuse OPT and H1b, those in black list will be forever barred from using OPT or H1b program.
3)OPT program should only be available for students from top 50-100 US universities, the current provision "accredited Universities" is too vague.

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I also suggest Chinese students to comment about how to improve the OPT extension as above, in this case, you can at least win support from relatively reasonable people like me

还有希望大家能发转到自己国内的本科学校的论坛，这样的话大量的留学生就都会来评论

没有论坛的可以发到自己学校的留学生qq群，微信群

已评论：1jz-8m58-joqz
一条评完不放心，我又写了几条……
建议大家换名字多添几条，至于名字，可以试试这个工具，姓名随机生成器：http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/gen-random-us-us.php

1jz-8m5u-83xi
不小心就写长了。。。感觉这个是把能想到的都写进去了，我接下来就是继续修改语言并且排解组合从各种角度写。还有就是针对一些negative comment进行反驳。最主要的还是要结合这ruling本身，而不是宽泛的谈论opt和移民。我打算把ruling再仔细看看，然后引用ruling里的文字给那些美国人打脸。
I strongly support this new ruling.
1. OPT program is directly related to US educational institutions and is fundamentally a selling point of the US educational market. A lot of people come to the US rather than go to other countries because of this benefit. If the extension was canceled, then it would be a threat to the US educational institutions financially. No one would ever want to bring CASH to the country anymore in exchange of education. The extension, to some degree, is a basic sales strategy that has worked well.
2. US higher education has been long short of enough students to do research. If the attractiveness of US education went down because of the cancellation of the extension, then the US research and high tech would be the first victim. US will lose its biggest advantage over other countries and will eventually lose its power.
3. People cannot equate OPT with the general immigration problem. OPT is very restrictive - only granted to those who have studied in a US institution. It is not even immigration. It is funny that US allows a lot of illegal immigrants to come to this country for free but does not give qualified people who are anxious in creating value for the United States to stay.
4 Some mentioned that US does not have a shortage of stem workers, which is so untrue. The companies not only need stem workers, but truly qualified skilled workers. A master student who have been in the university for 6 years is not the same as someone who attend a training course for 3 months. The poor high school stem education prevents the universities to produce enough skilled workers.
5. If people do not have the right skill set but blame just those F1 students for taking their jobs, I do not see any hope in this country. Even the F1 students all left after graduation, the companies would just hire them overseas instead of hiring locals who are not capable of doing the job.
6. The rule is exactly there to solve the low wage problem. The wages for a lot of PhDs and Masters are the same or even higher than the US citizen. Only some other programs(ICC who abused the H1B program) may allow hiring unskilled workers from overseas. OPT is the wrong target if people really want to make sure that companies do not hire foreign nationals for lower cost. US citizens should be smart enough to have the right judgement for this issue, right?
7. OPT, even not a direct immigration issue, can also be related to immigration. OPT is itself a filter and will filter out people who are not good enough, as a three year period of working in a company is the best exam a student can take to prove his/her abilities. Those who are not good enough will get fired and go home. But those who can stay will have the option to either stay or leave after the end of the OPT period. The US government do not have to spend all the time and money and labor to come up with metrics to evaluate if an applicant is qualified for citizenship. Furthermore, a country needs immigrants, period. This is a fundamental economic rule that exists in nature. The two important driving force for economy are population and technology. Population-wise, companies needs demand to produce. Won’t people eat and rent houses and buy stuff and spend money here and there after they start working under OPT? Why do people only see OPT worker taking jobs, but not see the other aspects? Remember the financial crisis in the 1930s? Nobody wanted to buy stuff, and companies had to stop producing, and so laying off workers. Technology-wise, I think enough has been mentioned about how immigrants contribute to research and product development.
8. If students who are studying in the US all go back to their country after 1year’s of training, they will soon create value for their countries that will one day compete with the US companies. The US uses its own education to nurture its competitors?
9. The fundamental reason for the extension to be 24 months is that a lot projects are 2~3 years long. It would be very much a trouble for companies to switch among different workers for the projects.
In summary, I think OPT extension is not a threat to the US and US citizens, but rather a benefit for exactly the US universities, companies, economy(and therefore for each individual.) Particularly, this very ruling is exactly out there to address people's concerns about abusing the OPT program and to make sure the OPT program will not become a drain for US jobs.

我找到了老美反对OPT的水军，一模一样的评论在短时间内被发了无数次。请问怎么举报？谁可以帮忙举报？

去comment那个页面看Oct 09的评论

搜“would be a detriment to American tech workers, especially ”你就会发现很多重复的评论在被换着名字不停的发。这些ID都有
ICEB-2015-0002-7377
ICEB-2015-0002-7151
ICEB-2015-0002-7150
ICEB-2015-0002-7252
ICEB-2015-0002-7470
ICEB-2015-0002-7116
ICEB-2015-0002-7113
ICEB-2015-0002-7131
ICEB-2015-0002-7040
ICEB-2015-0002-7190

希望版主看到！！！！！！请大家提交评论之前清理一下这个网站的cookie，或者直接用Chrome 的incognito mode来提交评论，防止评论被后端过滤掉。我发现他是会set cookie并且生成一个csrf token的，如果不清理cookie每次的token都是一样的，可能会因为这个被后端过滤掉。

（1）@eleanorelin_xue  的同学做了个网站，方便大家填写评论。网址是：sites.google.com/site/optextensionhelp/ 求扩散求帮转，让更多人来填写！ （2）http://www.stopoverreach.com/ 有同学提供这个反对opt人的网站

找了几个New York Times 和Reuters的评论文章，可以从中找到点新思路。

Should Foreign Graduates Get a Visa Edge?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/education/edlife/should-foreign-graduates-get-a-visa-edge.html?_r=0

“According to a Brookings Institution analysis, in 2010 only 30 percent of foreign graduates of U.S. universities received an H-1B visa, awarded to temporary workers in specialty occupations. And though 64 percent of all international students in science, technology, engineering and math, or STEM, come from India and China, they are still subject to the 7 percent cap per country that immigration law places on green cards. The wait is so long for permanent residency, many simply leave.”

“”In a letter supporting the Senate bill, 14 associations representing thousands of higher education institutions described an urgent need: “According to projections, the United States will face a shortfall of more than 200,000 advanced-degree STEM workers by 2018,” the associations wrote. “In many STEM areas, foreign students are a majority of the Ph.D. graduates from U.S. universities.” It went on to say that the “immigration system forces many of them to leave, sacrificing the innovation and economic growth they would create here.”

“Or, as one prominent immigration lawyer, Stephen Yale-Loehr, put it: “Imagine if the next Google or Facebook were to be developed in India or China. All those jobs that could have been in the United States instead are being developed overseas and competing against our best companies.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/idUSnMKWzJN1wa+1d8+MKW20150407#jBqiM1Fq8xYvgEL4.97

http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-and-techology/court-ruling-threatens-status-of-50000-tech-visa-holders/
“The challenge to the OPT visas was brought, in part, based on concern by some parties that the OPT system places technology professionals born outside of the United States at a competitive advantage over U.S. born professionals.  Instead, the OPT program should be viewed as a method to protect the significant investment made by commercial enterprises and the United States government in STEM education programs.

-baidu 1point3acresThe OPT system helps to ensure that students educated through American STEM programs ultimately apply their skills and education in the United States.  Forced repatriation of OPT visa holders is unfair to the individuals involved, and it wastes the substantial U.S. resources invested in the education of those students.  The Department of Homeland Security should act immediately to satisfy the requirements of the court to ensure that extended OPT visas remain valid”

maxli 发表于 2015-11-10 06:56
我找到了老美反对OPT的水军，一模一样的评论在短时间内被发了无数次。请问怎么举报？谁可以帮忙举报？

...

他们是从这个网http://debates.numbersusa.com/ 复制粘贴的。这个网昨天有专门反对opt的sample 评论。今天突然页面改成这个，不过主题还是反移民。好想把这个网黑了， 可是我不会。。。

已经给Stony Brook校长和Graduate Student Organization president写信陈述OPT extension rule相关信息。多谢 @gbmzjy分享经验。
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Update:
GSO回信了，让我代他们起草一封给Secretary of DHS的邮件，他们修改后发。吓死本宝宝了，大神们有没有什么模版或者参考意见。
@W大 @sskiso @austurela @闲庭听雨 @wsmjmiisme

多谢大家帮忙！也算是提供comments外另一种思路吧。多动员各个组织的力量，督促各方用官方的渠道交流，提供意见。

我已经已经一个人从 hr, 中国妈妈， 正在美帝的留学生三个角度去评论了opt，
我得再分身变成potential student 去写一个了。

好的连接，加油。号召所有的力量。

Comment Tracking Number: 1jz-8m4t-xoi6

顶一下这个帖子，我觉得真的有必要拜托一些大v撰写新的稿子再次号召大家评论

感觉已经被负面评论刷频了，而且美国人写起来都是大段大段的GRE6分作文

顶上去！！大家快去评论啊！！这事成不成真的靠我们每个人的努力啊！

水了几年了，出来顶一帖

“It is abhorrent that the OPT program exists at all. And it is even WORSE that you propose to extend it! Citizenship in this nation is becoming worth less and less, to the point that being a citizen is worth nothing at all. Why be a "citizen" when non-citizens ARE TREATED BETTER??? Disgusting!”

看看这些触目惊心的反对言论。。。你还有理由袖手旁观吗？？行动起来吧，如果自己的利益自己不去争取，谁也不会在乎你。

事在人为总比听天由命好

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