MIT 说Trump的禁令将来也有可能影响已在美国的学生

链接：
https://iso.mit.edu/immigration/imm_updates.shtml

其中提到：
Currently, the proclamation does NOT apply to individuals inside the U.S. pursuing study or research in F or J status; However, the proclamation states that the Secretary of State will review and determine if current visa holders subject to the proclamation conditions should have their visas revoked.

本来就是啊。。。看了川普的文件就知道可能会影响了

Deport是在你违反移民相关法案或者立刻失去当前status之后进行的吧？
比如你考试作弊被学校抓了，直接开除，f1 status立即失效，那应该可以立刻递解出境。
如果美国政府认定你违反了相关法案，比如就目前这个情况，必须得认定你有偷窃美国科技的行为，才能判你的status失效。认定你有偷窃科技这事就得上法庭。每个人都清者自清，问心无愧怕什么呢？上法庭让他们出示证据啊？我觉得美国再没底线也不至于大规模地真的在法庭上给数以千计甚至万计的中国留学生栽赃陷害。如果真那样的话就是极其严重的外交事件，哪怕只是一两个人出现这种莫须有定罪的都算比较严重的外交事件了，何况给这么多无辜的人定罪？
要是真有那么一天，我觉得大家也不用担心什么递解出境这种小事了，不圈起来当人质就不错了。
这种情况我不认为会发生。美国不是纯粹的右派国家，至少学术界的大部分人还是讲道理的讲公证的。

helen14 发表于 2020-6-1 02:38
大神想问问，如果不驱逐的revoke visa会怎么通知你呢？也是寄个什么文件告诉你visa被revoked吗？但是不需 ...

首先注意visa是国务院管，驱逐是DHS国土安全部管。准确来说前者是外交功能后者是内政，并且他们是独立执行的。如果国务院revoke后想推荐DHS开始驱逐手续，可以发消息叫他们考虑。DHS开启removal process会寄给你Notice to Appear的上庭通知。

虽然一般revoke会通知你，可怕的是国务院是有权利不告诉你的。他们可以选择无声revoke然后不建议DHS开始驱逐。这样你哪天不知不觉离境后再办签证或入境时就可以立马被拒之门外，旧签证写大字吊销，反而省一大堆驱逐手续。

他们可以这样做是在Foreign Affairs Manual签证官外交手册中写的 https://fam.state.gov/fam/09FAM/09FAM040311.html

9 FAM 403.11-5 Revocation of Visas by the Department
(b) Although the Department is not required to notify the alien of a revocation done pursuant to the Secretary's discretionary authority...

9 FAM 403.11-5(B) Prudential Revocations
(a)(3) If law enforcement interests require that the subject remain unaware of U.S. Government interest, post will be informed of the revocation but instructed not to notify the subject, through a “silent revocation”.

是吧，这在官方文件里本来就有

主要不确定的点在于境内revoke了之后会不会或者能不能被deport/expel，毕竟其实很多stem博士因为check之前也已经基本很少回国了，但现在要是能主动驱逐麻烦就太大了

猜来猜去的没什么意义，话语权都在国务院

ogdg 发表于 2020-6-1 11:04
猜来猜去的没什么意义，话语权都在国务院

主要是很慌 😂 虽然知道慌也没什么用。。  能看到另外几个兄弟也一直在关注类似的帖子，估计身份对于大家都十分重要

MGen 发表于 2020-6-1 10:34
是吧，这在官方文件里本来就有

主要不确定的点在于境内revoke了之后会不会或者能不能被deport/expel，毕 ...

revoke是deportable的（NASFA:  https://www.nafsa.org/profession ... a-revocation-basics）

Camelchoi 发表于 2020-6-1 01:37
revoke是deportable的（NASFA:  https://www.nafsa.org/professional-resources/browse-by-interest/visa ...

好文，我复制一段过来，感觉写得相对算详细了（虽然依然没有100%）：

But what happens to the immigration status of someone whose visa was revoked while they are in the United States?

Here comes the tricky part. We will provide some material here that nonimmigrants should discuss with an immigration lawyer if they are concerned. INA 237(a)(1)(B); 8 USC 1227(a)(1)(B), provides:

    "Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this chapter or any other law of the United States, or whose nonimmigrant visa (or other documentation authorizing admission into the United States as a nonimmigrant) has been revoked under section 221(i), is deportable."

Does that mean that someone whose visa is revoked while they are in the United States is always removable because of the visa revocation alone? The answer is not always clear. There is some support for the contention that a provisional visa revocation might not, in itself, render a nonimmigrant removable, as there can be a difference between when a visa is revoked and when the revocation becomes effective for a specific individual. The sample "certificate of revocation" reproduced above, for example, closed with the statement:

    "This revocation shall become effective immediately on the date on which this certificate is signed unless the alien is present in the United States at that time, in which case it will become effective immediately upon the alien’s departure from the United States."

Nonimmigrants in the United States who are concerned about the impact of a visa revocation on their immigration status, or who have had an immigration benefit denied solely on the basis of a visa revocation, should discuss their situation with an immigration lawyer. In any case, individuals whose visas have been revoked while they are in the United States should always make sure to maintain all the terms and conditions of their valid nonimmigrant status during their stay.

顺便at一下大佬@putout （好像还有一位但没记住id。。。

MGen 发表于 2020-6-1 00:55
好文，我复制一段过来，感觉写得相对算详细了（虽然依然没有100%）：

其实为什么有这个模糊？原因应该是revoke的那一刻行政部门就主观认为你没有合法身份。或者换着说你有可以被驱逐的嫌疑。注意只是嫌疑，而不是说客观上在法律中你没有合法身份了。这个客观判定是要后面上法庭由法官决定的，而不是靠移民局一面嫌疑就说的算。如果在法院作出判决之前你还是保持做所有合法身份该做的事，那你完全有机会把这个嫌疑洗白的并且证明这一段时间下来你一直按你的身份要求守法而为。

问题是你如果想办OPT或CoS什么的，移民局有权认为你有嫌疑就不给你办理。